well that was quick.....

[G4dude]

All the economists and experts are predicting bad times... Therefore I believe the opposite will happen....

No you do not.

 

[EngineThunder]

Concessions are not required because the company is profitable at this time. Period. Careful listening to YIP, he's still proud that he starts his pilots at 35K.

He also loves aviation so much he would work for free. Ask him what he charged for international contract pilot work in the past. Keep setting the bar lower in kyip.

 

[jtf]

Sorry dude. Just read that thread, and you are leaving out alot. First of all, no where, does Luthi state, "the company is going to keep shrinking for 10 years". As you say he said. Second the 10 percent cut in core fleet is his estimate, if we give up on 1.5.

Twisted words at best.

Read posts 16 and 24 by Luthi in that thread. The numbers he quoted were over the next ten years and the percentage he quoted that would be affected by the loss of the core fleet was 10 to 15 percent if we give up the scope. Maybe he doesn't say these things exactly as the quote above, but that is what he is saying and that is what is scaring the crap out of the current bottom third of the list. I don't remember what thread they start talking about the put possibilities of downgrading, but that gets talked about too.

 

[BentOver]

Read posts 16 and 24 by Luthi in that thread. The numbers he quoted were over the next ten years and the percentage he quoted that would be affected by the loss of the core fleet was 10 to 15 percent if we give up the scope. Maybe he doesn't say these things exactly as the quote above, but that is what he is saying and that is what is scaring the crap out of the current bottom third of the list. I don't remember what thread they start talking about the put possibilities of downgrading, but that gets talked about too.

Nice of him to never stop by the furloughed side. He could have atleast stopped by once over the past 2 years to say something.

 

[KiddDynomite]

Read posts 16 and 24 by Luthi in that thread. The numbers he quoted were over the next ten years and the percentage he quoted that would be affected by the loss of the core fleet was 10 to 15 percent if we give up the scope. Maybe he doesn't say these things exactly as the quote above, but that is what he is saying and that is what is scaring the crap out of the current bottom third of the list. I don't remember what thread they start talking about the put possibilities of downgrading, but that gets talked about too.

Thank you JTF. some people only read what they want because they cannot see the reality in front of them. This isn't meant to be a dig just stating a fact. It's all in there. we are heading for some harsh times.

 

[fischman]

It must be wonderful to go through life believing all who disagree with you do so because of ulterior motives. It could never be a genuine difference of opinion while agreeing about the problem, in good faith.

Let's see, we had FamilyGuy for the '05 contract who managed to go away after it was signed. Then we had B19 for the FLOPS battle who has gone away after their contract was signed.

Now that management wants to open up Section 6 next year, ALL OF THE SUDDEN G4 comes out of the woodwork.

Yeah... No ulterior motives. We are smarter than that. Please don't insult our intelligence. This is an OLD union busting tactic that we don't fall for.

 

[mtnrunner]

Face it, deal with it, and then move on...

1) It's a Berkshire Hathaway company. Financial distress is not on the horizon and bankruptcy, with so much Berkshire Hathaway guaranteed debt and obligations to the owner contracts, is out of the question.

2) Berkshire has installed a weak management team. When they install an experienced, capable, and respected management team then worry about what the union should do next. I see a lot of fall guys (managers) put in position to cut operating costs, minimize commitments to OEM's, and try to chase out the unions. Eventually they all get replaced when a new (build the business) CEO comes in.

3) A sales strategy of "raise prices and shorten the line" isn't much of a sales strategy. Especially with a 10 year old fleet. They may get the same margins out of one airplane that way rather than dealing with two airplanes, but that's going to cost jobs by shrinking the company.

4) The primary reason for 1.5c4 relief is because of the high number of disposals and the even high number of owners and cardholders per wholly owned airplane. Chase out the most desired customers you get the 32nd and 16th share scraps.

5) Don't blink, don't sweat, and don't do what management is either incapable of or unwilling to do... don't make it easy. Sad to say, but Warren has set in motion a game of chicken, but Hansell is in the driver seat of a remote controlled vehicle. Warren has the remote and that's the key. Warren is taking the group on.

Finally:
Face it, deal with it, and then move on. There is a future no matter what. But the longer it takes to get a fully committed ownership and management team the more damage that is going to be done.

 

[platinum750]

Fish, You are not cool and Netjets does not make money. You need to realize this.

 

[G4dude]

Let's see, we had FamilyGuy for the '05 contract who managed to go away after it was signed. Then we had B19 for the FLOPS battle who has gone away after their contract was signed.

Now that management wants to open up Section 6 next year, ALL OF THE SUDDEN G4 comes out of the woodwork.

Yeah... No ulterior motives. We are smarter than that. Please don't insult our intelligence. This is an OLD union busting tactic that we don't fall for.

How funny! I have been on this site for years, always visible and always pro free market. Mostly critical of the union I am a member of. Nothing sneaky or underhanded here.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Now that management wants to open up Section 6 next year

Sorry bud. You're off by three years...