Email from Airtran MEC: Secret MOU between SWA and SWAPA

[rjfo]

Yes......and so do you right?
Difference is I may have exercise that option.

Doubt it, you were at Air Tran for a reason. If you had other options you would've exercised them already. But you're right. Feel free to go somewhere else and be happy!

 

[SWA/FO]

Sweet!, looks like I'll be bidding BWI!!!!

Thought you loved ATL? Trying to get back to your Navy roots?

 

[Ty Webb]

Doubt it, you were at Air Tran for a reason. If you had other options you would've exercised them already. But you're right. Feel free to go somewhere else and be happy!

Statements like that typically come from the weakest sort of pilot...... Especially when they're made anonymously by a guy with a whopping four years on the property.

 

[StarrBuck]

Sweet!, looks like I'll be bidding BWI!!!!

Come on in to BWI Kharma.. It's nice, and the water is warm.. But don't worry about my position there.. I'll be out of BWI shortly.. I'll be commuting to upgrade.. Let me know when you downbid to FO so I'll be ready..

 

[redflyer65]

You're comparing Delta/NWA to Southwest/AAI? :laugh: You're funny man.

Kinda what I was thinking. This is where you really see the expectations of the AAI guys. Problem is, it doesn't really mess with reality. This wasn't even close to NW/DL. Not even the same ballpark.

Humvee,

Being proud of your product and advancement is one thing, but it not pilot specific. That comes from your company. So in the end, the AAI pilots only brought one thing to the table...seniority. Its all about the CBAs, not what the company is doing.

 

[intooclose]

This debate is nauseating......The expectation that this would go down like DAL/NWA is unfounded, more so looking back on it now. It was subtle but the signs were there. Southwest prides itself on doing things differently than other airlines...sometimes to an extreme. But, the formula HAS worked for 40+ years. So who the hell am I to say wait...stop...your wrong. As a Southerner I also understand subtleties in the way we treat others when we think someone is being reasonable or not. As long as we think you are being reasonable, we are as nice as we can be. This can sometimes be construed as weak to the untrained eye. The switch is on or off. Gary was nice until we flipped his switch. I have a business degree(BBA) and most of the people I talk to outside of work are college friends or Fraternity Brothers. It is almost unbearable to talk to them about this job. Here is how it would go....."You mean to tell me that you bitched about getting paid what you thought you were worth...someone came along and said they will pay you....then you said....no...no..no..we want this, this, AND THIS. Long story short. We will be much better off in the long run under Gary Kelly than Bob Farnaro. That is a fact that can be supported objectively and subjectively.

39 yrs old
91% on combined seniority list
Staying at SWA

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

WHY ARE WE STILL ARGUING ABOUT STUFF WE HAVE NO CONTROLL OVER??

This thread is ridiculous!!

There are guys and gals on both sides who feel screwed. But over 80% voted yes on both sides. THAT IS THE ONLY TIME OR PLACE WE HAD ANY EFFECT ON IT!!

Most of us didn't negotiate, propose, write, recommend, or maufacture any of this.

WHAT DO WE CONTROL?

How we treat each other and how we act going forward. I hope all of this foolish name calling and vitriol is left at the parking garage when you come to work.

COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS...

We have a great standard of living and quality of life compared any way you like...HISTORICALLY, vs THE REST OF THE PLANET, vs Many of our fellow citizens!!

LIFE AINT FAIR...QUIT MAKING IT UNPLEASANT TOO!!!

If you are going to be a capt at SWA...count your blessings

If you are already on the top 75% of the list...count your blessings

When you come to work...BE NICE...You only have one life...Lets enjoy it

I'll buy any tranny the first beer...but only if your dress matches your shoes..

 

[Kharma Police]

Come on in to BWI Kharma.. It's nice, and the water is warm.. But don't worry about my position there.. I'll be out of BWI shortly.. I'll be commuting to upgrade.. Let me know when you downbid to FO so I'll be ready..

Ready for what? Beach volleyball?!

 

[freightdogfred]

So in the end, the AAI pilots only brought one thing to the table...seniority.

Tell ya what slick.....Go to SWALIFE and read GK's mid-year update from last year...page 6...an entire page titled "why we bought Airtran"

Perhaps when GK explains it to you you'll understand.

 

[redflyer65]

Tell ya what slick.....Go to SWALIFE and read GK's mid-year update from last year...page 6...an entire page titled "why we bought Airtran"

Perhaps when GK explains it to you you'll understand.

Are you dense?

Re-read my post. What did the AAI pilots bring to the table? Not Airtan the company.
You see the difference? I might be asking to much of you though. Let me know.

 

[Flyer1015]

So, unless Airtran was going to give RSW pilots 20-40 percent raises then what did you have to negotiate with?

I don't know what a RSW pilot is?

Fort Myers pilot?

Real Southwest pilot?

 

[Cometman]

Tell ya what slick.....Go to SWALIFE and read GK's mid-year update from last year...page 6...an entire page titled "why we bought Airtran"

Perhaps when GK explains it to you you'll understand.

OK. Lets end this. It is over. You got what you voted for. Everybody knows what you think. Nothing will change. Do what Lear70 did and go away. You will feel better. If you are not happy leave. It will all be over in 50 years from now anyway. Lets talk about American and US Airways and see what happens with their SLI. At least that will be new news.

 

[Tripower455]

I don't know what a RSW pilot is?

Fort Myers pilot?

Real Southwest pilot?

I've been fighting with the commute out of RSW for over 20 years...

Does that make me an RSW pilot?

 

[freightdogfred]

Are you dense?

Re-read my post. What did the AAI pilots bring to the table? Not Airtan the company.
You see the difference? I might be asking to much of you though. Let me know.

You're funny. In that vein, what did SW pilots bring to the table? Not SW, the company. See how ridiculous an argument that is? I'm letting you know.

I just brought a SW jumpseating Captain up from MCO, ex-freightdog like myself. In fact we both worked for the same outfit out of Willow Run and bullschitted the whole time about mutual friends, flying freight around the world when you were sucking milk from your mom's tit. Great guy, gave me hope again that most SW guys are normal sane peeps like me, not toolbags like you.

 

[Britpilot]

Doubt it, you were at Air Tran for a reason. If you had other options you would've exercised them already. But you're right. Feel free to go somewhere else and be happy!

So why was I at AAI?
You must know me because you can read my mind. You seem to think every pilot in the US wanted to go to SWA.

Your comments are pathetic and moronic.
No where did I say I was unhappy, those are your words.
I am looking at a furlough, that is why I have to look for other work.
Clear now?

 

[SWA Bubba]

So why was I at AAI?
You must know me because you can read my mind. You seem to think every pilot in the US wanted to go to SWA.

Your comments are pathetic and moronic.
No where did I say I was unhappy, those are your words.
I am looking at a furlough, that is why I have to look for other work.
Clear now?

No. You're NOT looking at a furlough.

No one on either side is looking at a furlough. You're just saying that to make your personal situation sound worse for argument purposes. Maybe you're pretty low on the overall totem pole, but we were all there once (or more than once), but you most certainly are not "looking at a furlough."

If you want to look for other work, then knock yourself out. That's typically what people who aren't happy do. But in any case, no one's buying your "poor me" argument. We've all got our own sob story.

Clear now?

Bubba

 

[Britpilot]

No. You're NOT looking at a furlough.

No one on either side is looking at a furlough. You're just saying that to make your personal situation sound worse for argument purposes. Maybe you're pretty low on the overall totem pole, but we were all there once (or more than once), but you most certainly are not "looking at a furlough."

If you want to look for other work, then knock yourself out. That's typically what people who aren't happy do. But in any case, no one's buying your "poor me" argument. We've all got our own sob story.

Clear now?

Bubba

How would you know?
A lot of us preparing for furlough. It's the smart thing to do. I know you don't understand smart however.
SWA's numbers don't add up pal. They cannot train 1185 of us in 2014 and train all your upgrades.
So tell me, what are they going to do with the surplus pilots?
Like I said before, this is just a job, there are other jobs.
Crystal clear now?

 

[slaquer5]

How would you know?
A lot of us preparing for furlough. It's the smart thing to do. I know you don't understand smart however.
SWA's numbers don't add up pal. They cannot train 1185 of us in 2014 and train all your upgrades.
So tell me, what are they going to do with the surplus pilots?
Like I said before, this is just a job, there are other jobs.
Crystal clear now?

I would agree with bubba, except for the fact of ALPA poking SWA in the eye,over and over.

 

[SWA Bubba]

How would you know?
A lot of us preparing for furlough. It's the smart thing to do. I know you don't understand smart however.
SWA's numbers don't add up pal. They cannot train 1185 of us in 2014 and train all your upgrades.
So tell me, what are they going to do with the surplus pilots?
Like I said before, this is just a job, there are other jobs.
Crystal clear now?

Yup; it's pretty clear that you're the most miserable and pessimistic "happy" guy on the forum. Sorry to interrupt; carry on. Continue bitching and acting like your life sucks so bad (and, for that matter, that other people care about your bitching).

Maybe you could try for a career in creative writing? You know, when your imminent (gasp!) "furlough" happens.

Bubba

 

[Britpilot]

Yup; it's pretty clear that you're the most miserable and pessimistic "happy" guy on the forum. Sorry to interrupt; carry on. Continue bitching and acting like your life sucks so bad (and, for that matter, that other people care about your bitching).

Maybe you could try for a career in creative writing? You know, when your imminent (gasp!) "furlough" happens.

Bubba

Yup it's pretty clear that you are the most arrogant guy on the forum.
You hate facts. Sorry about that chump. You're right, everything is wonderful, nothing to worry about. Bubba knows all.
Maybe you should try a career as a fortune teller, you know everything at least for those that want to read your drivel.

 

[CA Calypso]

"You're funny. In that vein, what did SW pilots bring to the table? Not SW, the company. See how ridiculous an argument that is? I'm letting you know."

The SWAPA contract and all the requisite benefits therein. Really dude, what part of this is not making sense?

 

[Cometman]

Yup it's pretty clear that you are the most arrogant guy on the forum.
You hate facts. Sorry about that chump. You're right, everything is wonderful, nothing to worry about. Bubba knows all.
Maybe you should try a career as a fortune teller, you know everything at least for those that want to read your drivel.

You sound like Lear70. Maybe you should do what he did and sign off for good. He feels better and I am sure you will too. People are gettting tired of listening to you.

 

[redflyer65]

"You're funny. In that vein, what did SW pilots bring to the table? Not SW, the company. See how ridiculous an argument that is? I'm letting you know."

The SWAPA contract and all the requisite benefits therein. Really dude, what part of this is not making sense?

Bingo. Thanks Calypso. I think the one thing AAI had that we didn't was paid parking. Night and Day Freight.....you know it, but just don't want to admit it. You'd rather play the poor, poor pitfall me routine along along with Brit.

 

[Britpilot]

Bingo. Thanks Calypso. I think the one thing AAI had that we didn't was paid parking. Night and Day Freight.....you know it, but just don't want to admit it. You'd rather play the poor, poor pitfall me routine along along with Brit.

Grow up red, your remarks are boring.
As I said many times, I don't care any more. It's just a job.
Get over yourself.

 

[redflyer65]

Good comeback.

Your schtick is getting old, especially when people call you out on the BS.

 

[rjfo]

Statements like that typically come from the weakest sort of pilot...... Especially when they're made anonymously by a guy with a whopping four years on the property.

Who has four years on property? You're right I'm the weakest pilot on the property good thing upgrades are base solely on seniority. Am I wrong in my statement? When delta was hiring you and Brit stayed at AT cuz it rocked so much. I didn't realize that sorry. I retract my generalization. Now whose makin statements like that... Get over it. I don't know anything about you, other than the stuff you and Brit post here. I make my judgements based solely on these posts. You guys could be the nicest people on earth but your online statements point otherwise.

 

[Britpilot]

Good comeback.

Your schtick is getting old, especially when people call you out on the BS.

Likewise.
You need some facts to back up your opinions.

 

[Flying-Corporal]

You're comparing Delta/NWA to Southwest/AAI? :laugh: You're funny man.

Hmm... Why is that funny, Mr. SW CA? Read about Fedex/Flying Tigers acquisition/merger/etc. Here is a synopsis for you: A bankrupt roughly 10 a/c airline got bought out by a huge airline called Fedex. Pilots got merged based on seniority (not DOH!).

You're a weird man to find these things amusing. Do inflight emergencies make you laugh too???

 

[SWA/FO]

Hmm... Why is that funny, Mr. SW CA? Read about Fedex/Flying Tigers acquisition/merger/etc. Here is a synopsis for you: A bankrupt roughly 10 a/c airline got bought out by a huge airline called Fedex. Pilots got merged based on seniority (not DOH!).

You're a weird man to find these things amusing. Do inflight emergencies make you laugh too???

then there are other examples.... ask the Challenge Air Cargo Pilots how it felt when UPS bought their 757s and took NO PILOTS.

 

[Ty Webb]

Who has four years on property?

You. Maybe 5 years now. You went to SWA from Pinnacle. What gives you some special right to question any AirTran pilot's skills, abilities or marketability?

When delta was hiring you and Brit stayed at AT cuz it rocked so much. I didn't realize that sorry. I retract my generalization.

When Delta was hiring, I had already been a line-holding Captain for several years. I was making more than any Delta pilot with similar longevity . . . and I was happy. What business is it of yours, anyway?

What a putz. :laugh: