Email from Airtran MEC: Secret MOU between SWA and SWAPA

[CA Calypso]

"You're funny. In that vein, what did SW pilots bring to the table? Not SW, the company. See how ridiculous an argument that is? I'm letting you know."

The SWAPA contract and all the requisite benefits therein. Really dude, what part of this is not making sense?

 

[Cometman]

Yup it's pretty clear that you are the most arrogant guy on the forum.
You hate facts. Sorry about that chump. You're right, everything is wonderful, nothing to worry about. Bubba knows all.
Maybe you should try a career as a fortune teller, you know everything at least for those that want to read your drivel.

You sound like Lear70. Maybe you should do what he did and sign off for good. He feels better and I am sure you will too. People are gettting tired of listening to you.

 

[redflyer65]

"You're funny. In that vein, what did SW pilots bring to the table? Not SW, the company. See how ridiculous an argument that is? I'm letting you know."

The SWAPA contract and all the requisite benefits therein. Really dude, what part of this is not making sense?

Bingo. Thanks Calypso. I think the one thing AAI had that we didn't was paid parking. Night and Day Freight.....you know it, but just don't want to admit it. You'd rather play the poor, poor pitfall me routine along along with Brit.

 

[Britpilot]

Bingo. Thanks Calypso. I think the one thing AAI had that we didn't was paid parking. Night and Day Freight.....you know it, but just don't want to admit it. You'd rather play the poor, poor pitfall me routine along along with Brit.

Grow up red, your remarks are boring.
As I said many times, I don't care any more. It's just a job.
Get over yourself.

 

[redflyer65]

Good comeback.

Your schtick is getting old, especially when people call you out on the BS.

 

[rjfo]

Statements like that typically come from the weakest sort of pilot...... Especially when they're made anonymously by a guy with a whopping four years on the property.

Who has four years on property? You're right I'm the weakest pilot on the property good thing upgrades are base solely on seniority. Am I wrong in my statement? When delta was hiring you and Brit stayed at AT cuz it rocked so much. I didn't realize that sorry. I retract my generalization. Now whose makin statements like that... Get over it. I don't know anything about you, other than the stuff you and Brit post here. I make my judgements based solely on these posts. You guys could be the nicest people on earth but your online statements point otherwise.

 

[Britpilot]

Good comeback.

Your schtick is getting old, especially when people call you out on the BS.

Likewise.
You need some facts to back up your opinions.

 

[Flying-Corporal]

You're comparing Delta/NWA to Southwest/AAI? :laugh: You're funny man.

Hmm... Why is that funny, Mr. SW CA? Read about Fedex/Flying Tigers acquisition/merger/etc. Here is a synopsis for you: A bankrupt roughly 10 a/c airline got bought out by a huge airline called Fedex. Pilots got merged based on seniority (not DOH!).

You're a weird man to find these things amusing. Do inflight emergencies make you laugh too???

 

[SWA/FO]

Hmm... Why is that funny, Mr. SW CA? Read about Fedex/Flying Tigers acquisition/merger/etc. Here is a synopsis for you: A bankrupt roughly 10 a/c airline got bought out by a huge airline called Fedex. Pilots got merged based on seniority (not DOH!).

You're a weird man to find these things amusing. Do inflight emergencies make you laugh too???

then there are other examples.... ask the Challenge Air Cargo Pilots how it felt when UPS bought their 757s and took NO PILOTS.

 

[Ty Webb]

Who has four years on property?

You. Maybe 5 years now. You went to SWA from Pinnacle. What gives you some special right to question any AirTran pilot's skills, abilities or marketability?

When delta was hiring you and Brit stayed at AT cuz it rocked so much. I didn't realize that sorry. I retract my generalization.

When Delta was hiring, I had already been a line-holding Captain for several years. I was making more than any Delta pilot with similar longevity . . . and I was happy. What business is it of yours, anyway?

What a putz. :laugh:

 

[Flying-Corporal]

then there are other examples.... ask the Challenge Air Cargo Pilots how it felt when UPS bought their 757s and took NO PILOTS.

Ahh, I get it! Moral of the story: Be happy we didn't fire your a$$. And welcome to the family, dear bros and siss!

The examples you present dont seem to reflect GK early statements when he said that this merger will set the example how smooth and fair all workgroups will get integrated.

I doubt anyone will look at AT/SWA merger for guidance in the future. May be how to avoid it.

 

[Flying-Corporal]

I also believe that there should be laws that wouldn't allow a company to purchase another company and do whatever they wish. It would make total financial sense to fire everyone, and then re-interview all the employees back.

Here are some advantages:
- You wouldn't have to deal with longevity, because everyone would start from year 1. Huge financial savings.
- No seniority issues. Your own employees would be exctatic
- You get rid of trouble makers, those who stir up the pot. So Brit pilot wouldn't make the cut. Problem solved!

But is that legal? Would you want to be employed knowing that all your life achievements could evaporate in a heartbeat? How would you feel if AirChina would acquire SW and do that when you have 15-20 years of seniority with the company.

Watching from the sidelines, it always amazed me this sense of arrogance and self-entitlement from SW pilots. "We dont like DL/NW comparison, so let's use SW/ATA. See Airtran, you should be happy now! You won the lottery, dont you see it". That's the mentality.

 

[Ty Webb]

How would you feel if AirChina would acquire SW and do that when you have 15-20 years of seniority with the company.

Hey, man . . . That's crazy talk. That's like saying, "What if Al Gore would sell his network to Al Jazeera?"!

 

[SWA/FO]

I doubt anyone will look at AT/SWA merger for guidance in the future. May be how to avoid it.

Maybe Pilots want to avoid what happened, but from a management view it was a homerun. He got the list combined and it cost him little if nothing.

I also believe that there should be laws that wouldn't allow a company to purchase another company and do whatever they wish. It would make total financial sense to fire everyone, and then re-interview all the employees back.

Here are some advantages:
- You wouldn't have to deal with longevity, because everyone would start from year 1. Huge financial savings.
- No seniority issues. Your own employees would be exctatic
- You get rid of trouble makers, those who stir up the pot. So Brit pilot wouldn't make the cut. Problem solved!

But is that legal? Would you want to be employed knowing that all your life achievements could evaporate in a heartbeat? How would you feel if AirChina would acquire SW and do that when you have 15-20 years of seniority with the company.

Watching from the sidelines, it always amazed me this sense of arrogance and self-entitlement from SW pilots. "We dont like DL/NW comparison, so let's use SW/ATA. See Airtran, you should be happy now! You won the lottery, dont you see it". That's the mentality

It happens all the time in NON UNION operations. People get fired and hired back as consultants. Or in CA they call people "part-time" and work them 39.5 hours a week, no benefits.

 

[madjack]

AAI wanted relative seniority we wanted staple...the list is neither but does grant SWA seniority to pilots from the smaller less desirable airline...at the expense of the RSW pilots ...now the ingrates are sueing their new company for more...

 

[Tripower455]

I doubt anyone will look at AT/SWA merger for guidance in the future. May be how to avoid it.

Why not?

It was a textbook acquisition and subsequent merger.

Both sides hate it, yet supported it with an 85% vote of approval.

Management got off cheap.

Can it get better than that?

 

[SWA/FO]

Watching from the sidelines, it always amazed me this sense of arrogance and self-entitlement from SW pilots.

Tranny aren't arrogant at all, huh?

 

[Ty Webb]

AAI wanted relative seniority we wanted staple...the list is neither but does grant SWA seniority to pilots from the smaller less desirable airline...at the expense of the RSW pilots ...now the ingrates are sueing their new company for more...

. . . . says the Ingrate who has recently upgraded into a Captain seat of an AirTran airplane. :erm:

Seriously, Jackie, after reading your posts on this forum for the past year, I have come to the conclusion that you really are suffering from some textbook psychoses. Get help, dude.

 

[SWA/FO]

. . says the Ingrate who has recently upgraded into a Captain seat of an AirTran airplane. :erm:

As per the agreement voted on and approved by AirTran Pilots.

 

[Dan Roman]

Tranny aren't arrogant at all, huh?

From what I've seen here from the sidelines without any emotion invested in the deal..... The jist of the whole debate on here is the AirTran pilots seem to just be making a case that they wanted to be treated fairly while the SWA pilots have been very belittling towards them and basically telling them how lucky they are.