Email from Airtran MEC: Secret MOU between SWA and SWAPA

[maxblast72]

DL is approx 400 pilots fat right now according to sources in the CPO. The 16 717s and 13 MD90s coming this year will eat those up. Throw 36 more 717s for each of the next two years, plus eventual retirements, and there should be hiring in 2014. And if you get in during 2014, you would be in a great place before the HUGE retirement numbers coming in 4-5 years, some of which have 700-800 pilots retiring each year. That is unbelievable upward movement. Are you going to apply Max?



Bye Bye---General Lee

General, I have ran my own numbers, but maybe you can help me. Here are the age 65 retirement numbers I found online for the next 5 years:

Delta: 857 retirements (or 7.2% of the group)
Southwest: 757 retirements (or 9.6% of the group)

Using the following assumptions for total compensation calculations for me as a SWA FO (including 401K match and profit sharing but excluding per diem), here are the numbers I come up with:

Pay rate: $130-135/TFP
Yearly Credit Accumulation: 1200-1300 TFP
Days worked per month: 13-14 days
Profit Sharing: 5%

My total compensation as a SWA FO over the next 6-8 years: $175-200K

General, if I went to Delta in 2014, how much would I lose in my first 3 years? How many days off would I give up my first 3 years? Also, just curious how long it would take me to get up to $200K per year in total compensation (while working 13-14 days a month).

Right now, I just don't see me leaving. Especially when considering the $15 billion (and growing) underfunded pension and medical benefit obligation Delta lists in their 10K every year.

 

[SWA717]

Don't worry about the under funded pension fund. They will just shed it on their next trip to bankruptcy..

 

[The Victors]

All the trannies who have transitioned and who will transition in the next few months WANT to. The last 700 or so will sing you a different tune.

Maybe you should have considered transitioning sooner. The ex-trannies in my base are getting any trips they want and cleaning up Big Time!

 

[fletch717]

Maybe you should have considered transitioning sooner. The ex-trannies in my base are getting any trips they want and cleaning up Big Time![/

I do fine where I'm at. It's going to be a pay cut for me to come over. Pay rate to pay rate. I'm not interested in premium trips, working the system and whoring my self out.

 

[maxblast72]

Fletch717, you may be doing fine where you are at but don't forget where you are at won't be around in 22-28 months. Time to move on. Your total compensation per day of work going forward will be greater than it was on 9/26/2010. The chances of needing to update your resume was dramatically reduced on 9/27/2010 as well.

 

[fletch717]

Fletch717, you may be doing fine where you are at but don't forget where you are at won't be around in 22-28 months. Time to move on. Your total compensation per day of work going forward will be greater than it was on 9/26/2010. The chances of needing to update your resume was dramatically reduced on 9/27/2010 as well.

Classic, "you will make more per day" never mind that at the end of the year your W2 will be less. Linden was much dummer than I could ever have imagined.

 

[scoreboardII]

Max, fletch is the type that plays the system to get max time off. Not a bad thing, just different from the greed of the normal SwA pilot, fly minimum but maximize your pay. And I did say greed, it is not a four letter word.

 

[Tripower455]

Classic, "you will make more per day" never mind that at the end of the year your W2 will be less. Linden was much dummer than I could ever have imagined.

I am hesitant to even ask, but have you even run actual numbers? Every former AT Capt I've spoken to over here has told me that they are making more money as a SW FO than they ever made over there as a Capt.

And they weren't even close to gaming the system. They were flying their lines with maybe a little ELITT thrown in......

Oh, and if you make more per day, you can work less days for the same pay, or the same days for more pay. How does that add up to less on the W2?

 

[dicko]

we manage to get 'er on the ground ok.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeealy ?

 

[dicko]

Maybe you should have considered transitioning sooner. The ex-trannies in my base are getting any trips they want and cleaning up Big Time!

True.

Many of them were pretty senior Captains. I talked to one of them at the gym on an overnight. He and the other AirTran guys are enjoying the pick of the trips. We were laughing our arses off at how angry the Cartels and junior SWA FOs were becoming.