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Rez,
I think you misunderstand what's going on here. You seem awfully defensive, but the simple fact is that the US airline industry is doing a poor job. If you compare the level of service to even 10 years ago, you would see remarkable differences. Now why? Simple. Because the airlines, by their desperation, have made one stupid decision after another, and to make up for it they have to cut cut cut. As a result, the only people they can currently attract are the Jerry Springer crowd. THIS is where the majority of the complaints are. Not to omit other stupidity like pushing off the gate for the "on time" departure that they KNOW is going to sit and sit and sit. Or hiring those brainless consultants who come up with such idiotic ideas (like the window-middle-aisle boarding process). Or now charging for the first checked bag. Now we can have an even longer wait to board while cheap-azz passengers try desperately to overstuff the bins. Here come more late departures. So what happens? Mgt will send notes to the crews telling them that they are the slow link.
In my opinion, there are 2 airlines that have their stuff together, hopefully you work for them. SWA, I hate their clientèle, but I love the way they run things. Even if I do have to ride from PHX to BWI on a 737. The other is Continental. You get a decent snack, planes are C-L-E-A-N and the crews, agents, etc are all top notch (if I can only find a way to not get that middle seat!).
You call us whiners and crybabies...do you really think that we are the only ones who are displeased with the airlines these days? Try riding on a foreign carrier, and you will see firsthand that the US airline industry is the Tijuana of resorts.

No, I understand... and I agree.

The airlines suck. In fact that is the reason many guys went to the fracs. The airline job sucks, the travel exp. sucks... it all sucks... Do you get it? It all sucks.


here is the interesting part...

Knowing all of that... you frac guys took the job!!! So quit whining.... all jobs have undesirables. LIFE has undesirables... Either quit your frac job or blow your brains out... but for the love of god and all things holy... quit whining about what you agreed to and cannot control!!



Complaining is NOT a special talent for pilots. ALL types of people whine and cry, but not all people whine and cry.

And there are some people that accept responsibility for the choices they make, understand what they can control, take the good with the bad, smile and say something positive.

Professionals offer solutions or minimize the negatives, work around them and press on.

Whiners and cry babies complain about what they cannot control and make life unenjoyable for others.

Which you are guys?


but just to be clear and most importantly.....

the airlines suck.

'kay?
 
Well, if this thread irritates people (like Rez and Razor), then don't read it. If the whining is so irritating, then quite reading it!
 
No, I understand... and I agree.

The airlines suck. In fact that is the reason many guys went to the fracs. The airline job sucks, the travel exp. sucks... it all sucks... Do you get it? It all sucks.


here is the interesting part...

Knowing all of that... you frac guys took the job!!! So quit whining.... all jobs have undesirables. LIFE has undesirables... Either quit your frac job or blow your brains out... but for the love of god and all things holy... quit whining about what you agreed to and cannot control!!



Complaining is NOT a special talent for pilots. ALL types of people whine and cry, but not all people whine and cry.

And there are some people that accept responsibility for the choices they make, understand what they can control, take the good with the bad, smile and say something positive.

Professionals offer solutions or minimize the negatives, work around them and press on.

Whiners and cry babies complain about what they cannot control and make life unenjoyable for others.

Which you are guys?


but just to be clear and most importantly.....

the airlines suck.

'kay?
We're not complaining about our jobs. Rather, the means to get to it. I think it would be quite a challenge to find any NJA pilot who hates their job.
That being said, you know we all have to talk about something, and it's just more fun to be riled up while doing it. I don't think that sharing stories of bad airlining is necessarily dragging anyone down about their position as a fractional pilot. It's kind of like out here in PHX from now till October 20th all you hear is "darn its so HOT!!". That doesn't mean I'd rather be in Greenland freezing or something. Just that I opine that 115 degrees is less than desireable at the moment.
I'm the first one to agree with you that people do way too much work on self-pity. We're all lucky to be in such "bad" positions as we are !!!! But sharing a story of something that ticked us off doesn't mean we're genuinely unhappy. Just letting a little steam off and making light of it. At least that's the way I take it.
 
We're not complaining about our jobs.


I don't DHD for free. Are you on duty or is your first airline flight out of your gateway part of your duty day?

Do you pay for the airline ticket? Seems to be that moving around on the airlines is part of your job description... Does the company obligate you to ride onthe airlines?


Rather, the means to get to it. I think it would be quite a challenge to find any NJA pilot who hates their job.

Part of the job is riding on airlines?

That being said, you know we all have to talk about something, and it's just more fun to be riled up while doing it. I don't think that sharing stories of bad airlining is necessarily dragging anyone down about their position as a fractional pilot.

Well.... maybe it is offensive to the few that are trying to make it work despite the horrible conditions and bleak future. maybe there are a few professionals that filter out the negativity and do the best they can so you can choose to live in over 100 cities.

So what about that? Doesn't the crappy airlines provide a great perk to the frac job? The ability to live in over 100 gateways? If fact didn't the NJA guys negotiate to get that (back) for everyone? Could you have done that without the airlines...


It's kind of like out here in PHX from now till October 20th all you hear is "darn its so HOT!!". That doesn't mean I'd rather be in Greenland freezing or something. Just that I opine that 115 degrees is less than desireable at the moment.
I'm the first one to agree with you that people do way too much work on self-pity. We're all lucky to be in such "bad" positions as we are !!!! But sharing a story of something that ticked us off doesn't mean we're genuinely unhappy. Just letting a little steam off and making light of it. At least that's the way I take it.

So is it ok for guys like Occam to take on the same attitude about the airlines that the frac guys are doing here.... and make your airline experience even more miserable?

Are fellow pilots here... ?

Just asking....
 
We're not complaining about our jobs.


I don't DHD for free. Are you on duty or is your first airline flight out of your gateway part of your duty day?

Do you pay for the airline ticket? Seems to be that moving around on the airlines is part of your job description... Does the company obligate you to ride onthe airlines?


Rather, the means to get to it. I think it would be quite a challenge to find any NJA pilot who hates their job.

Part of the job is riding on airlines?

That being said, you know we all have to talk about something, and it's just more fun to be riled up while doing it. I don't think that sharing stories of bad airlining is necessarily dragging anyone down about their position as a fractional pilot.

Well.... maybe it is offensive to the few that are trying to make it work despite the horrible conditions and bleak future. maybe there are a few professionals that filter out the negativity and do the best they can so you can choose to live in over 100 cities.

So what about that? Doesn't the crappy airlines provide a great perk to the frac job? The ability to live in over 100 gateways? If fact didn't the NJA guys negotiate to get that (back) for everyone? Could you have done that without the airlines...


It's kind of like out here in PHX from now till October 20th all you hear is "darn its so HOT!!". That doesn't mean I'd rather be in Greenland freezing or something. Just that I opine that 115 degrees is less than desireable at the moment.
I'm the first one to agree with you that people do way too much work on self-pity. We're all lucky to be in such "bad" positions as we are !!!! But sharing a story of something that ticked us off doesn't mean we're genuinely unhappy. Just letting a little steam off and making light of it. At least that's the way I take it.

So is it ok for guys like Occam to take on the same attitude about the airlines that the frac guys are doing here.... and make your airline experience even more miserable?

Are we fellow pilots here... ?

Just asking....
 
No, I understand... and I agree.

The airlines suck. In fact that is the reason many guys went to the fracs. The airline job sucks, the travel exp. sucks... it all sucks... Do you get it? It all sucks.


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Rez, why are you complaining about the airline jobs? You must work for an airline and if it "sucks," why are you even there? Why dont you find something that doesnt suck. You knew that getting into it, right? You knew the pay would suck and schedules would suck (certainly at first) and here you are complaining that it sucks. Its OK for you to say how terrible the airlines are but its not OK for us to say the same? What the hell?

How long ago did you get turned down by a frac? Guess thats the real question.
 
....Knowing all of that... you frac guys took the job!!! Knowing that you won't agree with every post here or find every topic interesting you still registered for the board. So quit whining.... Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black...;) all jobs have undesirables. LIFE has undesirables... Either quit your frac job or blow your brains out... Rez, that to me was the most negative, offensive comment on the entire thread....:( but for the love of god and all things holy... quit whining about what you agreed to and cannot control!! If you were to practice what you preach, you wouldn't be posting on a thread you chose to read with posts you don't approve of but can't control--how ironic.

Complaining is NOT a special talent for pilots. ALL types of people whine and cry, but not all people whine and cry. The term "whine and cry" is your own subjective definition of this thread. Others see it as swapping stories and comparing notes. Sharing the good and the bad highlights common ground and thus fosters a sense of community. So there's a positive aspect to what strikes you (personally) as negative. More irony.

And there are some people that accept responsibility for the choices they make, understand what they can control, take the good with the bad, smile and say something positive. Those posting on this thread have probably posted plenty of positive things, too. Out on the line they may even be enthusiastic and positive on a regular basis. It isn't fair to make blanket judgments/direct implications based on a few posts made on this thread.

Professionals offer solutions or minimize the negatives, work around them and press on. Fractional pilots do that constantly on the line. Whiners and cry babies complain about what they cannot control and make life unenjoyable for others. Ironically again, implied insults like this and the horrible suggestion above make this thread unenjoyable for others. Applying your definition fairly, your complaining about their posts renders you a "whiner and a cry baby". Frac pilots commiserating here with one another about a commonly shared frustrating aspect of their job are using a coping strategy that enables them to be professional on the road.

Which you are guys? Condescension and hypocrisy are hardly inspiring examples of a positive attitude. :erm:

Rez, a question if you please. Who do you fly for? If you've posted it before I missed it. I ask so that I can better understand your perspective. Thanks. NJW
 
GR, we were typing at the same time. Interesting that we were thinking along the same lines. It ties in with the thread. To wit, it is human nature to enjoy comparing notes and sharing observations. NJW
 
GR, we were typing at the same time. Interesting that we were thinking along the same lines. It ties in with the thread. To wit, it is human nature to enjoy comparing notes and sharing observations. NJW


I agree. Rez is complaining about his job and the environment in which he works. If he doesnt like it and he knew that is what he signed up for, then find something else but dont cry on everyone elses shoulder. We are only stating that its the public that makes airlining difficult.....be it for work or just travel for pleasure/vacation etc. The difference between Rez/Razor is that they are complaining about work and stating how terrible it truly is...and we are not.
 
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I don't DHD for free. Are you on duty or is your first airline flight out of your gateway part of your duty day?

Do you pay for the airline ticket? Seems to be that moving around on the airlines is part of your job description... Does the company obligate you to ride onthe airlines?




Part of the job is riding on airlines?



Well.... maybe it is offensive to the few that are trying to make it work despite the horrible conditions and bleak future. maybe there are a few professionals that filter out the negativity and do the best they can so you can choose to live in over 100 cities.

So what about that? Doesn't the crappy airlines provide a great perk to the frac job? The ability to live in over 100 gateways? If fact didn't the NJA guys negotiate to get that (back) for everyone? Could you have done that without the airlines...




So is it ok for guys like Occam to take on the same attitude about the airlines that the frac guys are doing here.... and make your airline experience even more miserable?

Are we fellow pilots here... ?

Just asking....
Easy! Easy! You take offense so easily! Yes we are all doing the same thing essentially. But telling us to settle down while you go at us is not making things better.
 
Well, if this thread irritates people (like Rez and Razor), then don't read it. If the whining is so irritating, then quite reading it!

This thread amuses me. It has very high entertainment value.

"Why can't they...?"

"They should...!"


High comedy!

Quality airline service will return the INSTANT it is demanded. The demand will be expressed simply and clearly, and will start with "$".

Keep the "$-word" in your pocket, and refuse to give it to my boss until you get quality service in return...and all your airline service dreams will come true.

Since you will not do that...

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Thanks for the money, chumps!

P.S. Send more "Terrible Airline Experience" stories! I LOVE reading about things YOU cause!
 
Quality airline service will return the INSTANT it is demanded.
So sad(for you). The passengers did demand it, but your bosses (Airlines) weren't listening. So 20,000 of your premium and first class passengers voted with their wallet and went to private jets.

I LOVE reading about things YOU cause!
How cute. More delusional rhetoric of the passengers causing the airlines' problems.

This thread IS entertaining. It's kinda like the fish in a fishbowl thanking the humans for the entertainment. Good luck in there Nemo. We'll tap on the glass and say hi next time we're in the terminal.
 
This thread amuses me. It has very high entertainment value.

"Why can't they...?"

"They should...!"

High comedy!

Quality airline service will return the INSTANT it is demanded. The demand will be expressed simply and clearly, and will start with "$".

Keep the "$-word" in your pocket, and refuse to give it to my boss until you get quality service in return...and all your airline service dreams will come true.

Since you will not do that...

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Thanks for the money, chumps!

P.S. Send more "Terrible Airline Experience" stories! I LOVE reading about things YOU cause!

Folks, news flash here. We all heard it first from Razor on FI. We all need to get together and now "demand" that the airlines give us quality service. Should we "demand" that they dont charge us for checked bags now too? Or should we "demand" that we dont want to pay 2 $ for peanuts as well Razor? Laughable! Especially when you fly on a domestic European airline. I flew recently on such an airline and for a flight from LIS to LHR...we got a hot meal and didnt even have to pay for it! Good luck with anything close to that on our airlines.

And according to this poster, so many of these "things" that we have mentioned concerning airlining are things that, "YOU cause!" Typical that someone like Razor here cant even admit that perhaps poor customer service from the airlines today (yes Razor, even your own airline...I know that you dont think its possible but it sure is true) eauqates to a poor airlining experience. But then again, the airlines in no way could be at fault though, right Razor? No, its all our fault that the airlines suck today. Shame on all of us!
 
Ha! Ha! Ha!

Thanks for the money, chumps!

!

Its sad that people even at the level of just an airline pilot think this way. So much for any appreciation of to those that we call customers. Customers...if it were not for the customer Razor you wouldnt have a job.
 
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Folks, news flash here. We all heard it first from Razor on FI. We all need to get together and now "demand" that the airlines give us quality service. Should we "demand" that they dont charge us for checked bags now too? Or should we "demand" that we dont want to pay 2 $ for peanuts as well Razor? Laughable! Especially when you fly on a domestic European airline. I flew recently on such an airline and for a flight from LIS to LHR...we got a hot meal and didnt even have to pay for it! Good luck with anything close to that on our airlines.

And according to this poster, so many of these "things" that we have mentioned concerning airlining are things that, "YOU cause!" Typical that someone like Razor here cant even admit that perhaps poor customer service from the airlines today (yes Razor, even your own airline...I know that you dont think its possible but it sure is true) eauqates to a poor airlining experience. But then again, the airlines in no way could be at fault though, right Razor? No, its all our fault that the airlines suck today. Shame on all of us!

I didn't think you'd understand...and I guessed correctly. Thanks for being charmingly predictable!

Until you can show me one one-hundreth of a cent improvement in RASM due to superior customer service, the blame rest squarely on the shoulders of the consumers.

Next time you're near the Fountain of Knowledge, try drinking this time, instead of just gargling.

Or for a better understanding, read some Adam Smith...for retention this time!
 
I didn't think you'd understand...and I guessed correctly. Thanks for being charmingly predictable!

Until you can show me one one-hundreth of a cent improvement in RASM due to superior customer service, the blame rest squarely on the shoulders of the consumers.

Next time you're near the Fountain of Knowledge, try drinking this time, instead of just gargling.

Or for a better understanding, read some Adam Smith...for retention this time!

So, here you are telling us that we should just commute on a G550 to work rather than using the airlines, then you tell us, "thanks for the money chumps!" and now we are at RASM. Man, you just are all over the place, arent you?

I heard that you infact were at the "fountain of knowledge" and some let you cut infront of them to quickly try and make you somewhat smarter than what you have to offer us today. Guess that didnt help out any, uh?

"Thanks for the money chumps".....wonder how NW would feel that a captain of theirs thinks so highly of his bread and butter? If they are like me, they too wouldnt think very highly of this shining beacon like individual.
 
So, here you are telling us that we should just commute on a G550 to work rather than using the airlines, then you tell us, "thanks for the money chumps!" and now we are at RASM. Man, you just are all over the place, arent you?

Listen to me, young man! You log off this instant, or I'm gonna tell your Dad you've been pretending to be an adult on his Web Forum while he's taking a nap! Now get back to your room and keep practicing your multiplication tables! You're never going to make it through the 3rd grade 'til you learn 'em!

1. It was a G650. (different model)
2. It was sarcasm, Einstein! [Psst! To help you, I'll post sarcasm in blue so you can tell without hurting your brain]
3. You don't have an option. You don't make enough money. Since you're unwilling to expre$$ your dissatisfaction with the airlines with your feet...you WILL give me the money...chump!

"Thanks for the money chumps".....wonder how NW would feel that a captain of theirs thinks so highly of his bread and butter? If they are like me, they too wouldnt think very highly of this shining beacon like individual.

1. They are like you...they don't think either.
2. Put down the Strat and read a book. Start with "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. Pay particular attention to "market forces" and the concept of an "invisible hand". (No, not your Prom date! "Hand" is a methaphor...)
3. NW knows how I feel about our level of customer service. They don't seem to care. It's as good as everyone else's, so as long as you, consumer boy, aren't bright enough to figure out how to change the way they treat you...cough up the money, chump!
 
You couldn't be more wrong. There's a reason I route all my NWA frequent-flier miles to Continental.
You do that also? Funny.

Every week I (am paid to) walk through the terminal and two things come to mind. How soon can I get out of here? And do the crews know how bad it sucks here?
I pity them all.
This gig needs to last 20 more years. 15 minimum. :0

Razor, don't bother applying over here. You don't have what it takes. Turning left and closing the door is not an option. :cool:
 
Take the thread back!

This forum is for fractional pilots. I have never once been in the airline forum because I don't give a damn about it. If there was a thread in the airline forum titled "what I don't like about fractional flying" I'd never see it, because I don't care. Besides, I wouldn't feel at all qualified to comment on their experiences because I can't possibly relate.

I'm sure if we followed Rez and Razor around for a week, we'd catch them "whining and crying" about something they have to deal with in their jobs. As 121 drivers, they can't possibly empathize with any of us about the realities of riding on one of their planes, their world is far disconnected from ours. Jumpseating and non-revving doesn't compare to what most of us have to do 5-8 times a month. We don't choose the flights, they're chosen for us.

Airlining to and from work is a reality of frac flying. Airlining can be pleasant, and just as many times it can be a pain in the ass. Just like any job. For an office worker, driving to work can sometimes be pleasant, sometimes its a pain in the ass. For commuters, rush hour and traffic jams are a pain in the ass. And it is perfectly normal human behavior to not like it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with bitching about it with your buddies.

Not much has changed in airline flying, some say. I disagree. Sure, many of the same problems are there, and its all a matter of perspective, I do agree with that. The one, single yet important factor that has changed for passengers over the last 10 years is customer service, or the lack thereof. Airlines aren't alone in this, just about every service industry in America has moved away from the idea of quality customer service since the beancounters have begun to run these companies. It will reach a point where, like the gentleman suggests, that people will begin to vote with their wallets and the smart companies will return to making customer service a priority. Fractional owners already vote with their wallets, as is seen by the mass exodus of owners from my fractional company, since customer service gets a sideways glance from our execs and 'customer service' is simply a marketing term now. Sorry, but I can't help but mention that our CEO is an ex-airline executive. (now don't get pissed, I'm just making a joke)

The original title to this thread was "I thought riding on airlines could not get any worse..." and it was meant to share war stories about commuting. Plain and simple. It wasn't meant to be an indictment of the airline industry, nor was it meant be an attack on the professionals that drive the heavy iron. Airlining is what it is. If you're an airline guy, don't be so sensitive. Lighten up a little. Don't you have some traveling horror stories? I doubt there are any cruise ship captains reading this board, so we can flame away about that mode of travel without hurting anyone's feelings.

To get back to what the thread is about:

-How come there aren't any clocks in airport terminals?

-What happened to the 2 carry on rule? Clareene and Skeeter get on with their 2 kids with 2-3 suitcases each, backpacks, 2 diaper bags, a bookbag, PSPs, totebags, and a dog. Then act like the cabin is their living room.

-What happened to the overhead bag size rule? Ever seen the size of some of these steamer trunks these people carry on?

-Southwest started it, but now there's a whole lot of Flight Attendants using the word "those" and 'that' to describe everything. "That seatbelt, those tray tables." Gang!

-Is there a FAR about how many cabin announcements have to be made, and can we get them to limit the announcements to the Federal minimum? Just when you're dosing off you get jolted into an adrenaline rush by the VISA application advertisement. Plus, just after the Captain tells us that he's expecting some turbulence so he's turning on the seatbelt sign (ding) and to not get out of our seats, the FA comes on and tells us that the Captain has just turned on the seatbelt sign and for us to stay in our seats.

-God bless the engineers at Bose.

-ever notice that just about the time you realize you're freezing your ass off, they just ran out of blankets?

-how many times have you explained to your seatmate that you don't work for the airline, or have been mistaken for an airline employee? I'll be standing there waiting for pax to deplane so I can get to my bag (thats 12 rows back) and after hearing "thank you" enough times I finally just smile and say "come back to see us!" That's better than the time a guy drove up to the front of the hotel and handed me his keys thinking I was the valet. ;) [note to crummudgeons: the last point was humor. A joke. I was not complaining about how much I hate my job or dislike my uniform; I'm definitely proud of both.]

To be fair, I'm going to start a thread, maybe even in the Fractional forum, talking about the awesome experiences I've had on airlines. Like the FA that gave me free drinks across the country because she knew I was a pilot who'd had a long week.
 
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From my ride home yesterday: The guy in front wants to keep turning around and asking me things. He does it while I have my headset on watching SuperBad (funny movie!), and does it on the descent after we've had to turn off our electronics and I have my earplugs back in.

Him: "Hey, any idea what state we're in?"

Me, removing earplug: "What?"

Him: "I said, do you know what state we're over?"

Me: "Well, since we're on our final approach, I'd venture we're in Florida by now." I start to reinsert my earplug.

Him: "How come you wear them things?"

Me, restraining myself from saying what I'm really thinking: "To protect my hearing from long-term exposure to high-frequency noise."


:rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the chortle!

Prithee, what does it take?

Don't pray for, but pity those here with the chips so big there are no longer visible shoulders... Only a few years ago, NJA was the joke of the industry, and Flops was the highest paid frac. Time and again I've said everything goes in cycles...Buffett will be gone soon and his heirs (of nada) will get "theirs" by using their appointed positions to sell to the next HIG capital or corrupt hedge fund.
Funniest part is...there is enough fodder here for entertainment when I pull these posts back up in a few years, I won't know where to start.
The bigger the (oblivious) ego, the harder they fall. Now that so many have alienated themselves from every other facet of the industry, where will they go when they realize it's not United after all? (opps! guess it may be!) lol.
I'll be glad when I finally get to leave my little plane at Flops and leave the biz of "kiss my OWNER's azz" mentality far behind. I'll be back to visit though....just don't ask me to dump your lav. or serve the preflight drinks....
(Occam--in case you haven't noticed several NJA guys here think they are peers of their "owners." Yeah.... owners ...just like the slaves had).:laugh: Maybe they can pull out the pilot Amex black card and get a Biz Airbus to take them to their lav dumping, bag throwing duties in style.
As I previously said to one of the guys who turned down the offer (and for the benefit of the many who never care to apply in he first place) a "to each his own" reminder:
You DARED turned down the sacred NJA offer?
You must be crazy...
Don't you know NJA is today's best thing since UAL?
They are paid the best, get to kiss the best a$$es, get to eat the best crew meals...
Don't you know 100 year old Warren Buffett owns NJA and he's going to live forever, and anyone who follows will be specially programmed to do exactly as he has done (just erase the last 20 years of pilot pay from your mind)?
Don't you know the best of the best wealthy they drool over will never EVER cut back on private flying, no matter how high oil is or how many of their companies tank in this increasingly poor economy?
Don't you know anyone who turns them down must be an idiot and anyone who thinks differently about their company "must have been turned down" there?:smash:
There. I must have have saved 17 pages or so of clutter from this thread.
Congrats and good luck to you. Take the adventures while you can, so you don't end up like 80 percent of the NJA guys on here who have to try and justify THEIR inner voices by expressing the above 24/7 on a message board, rather than getting out and enjoying the life they claim so many should aspire to. :eek:
Carry on.

Keep burning all those bridges everywhere, though...I'll be interested to see how that works out for you all...unfortunately, a nouveau riche (lol!) few are ruining the reps of an entire pilot group in the company. Aviation is VERY small, and I'd love to be a fly on those interview panels' walls.
 
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This forum is for fractional pilots.

Cool! Then read this, fractional pilot: The topic is "airline flying". If you wanna whine about how many times you gotta get re-catered cuz your pax didn't show on time...or how your company terminated a huge portion of your pilot group because they fear unions...you're on your own.

I have never once been in the airline forum because I don't give a damn about it.

Thanks for sharing! Point?

If there was a thread in the airline forum titled "what I don't like about fractional flying" I'd never see it, because I don't care. Besides, I wouldn't feel at all qualified to comment on their experiences because I can't possibly relate.

A man should know his limitations.

I'm sure if we followed Rez and Razor around for a week, we'd catch them "whining and crying" about something they have to deal with in their jobs.

Don't take that bet! You'd lose. My job is my vacation. At my last job people I didn't even know were shooting at me! And I had to land on a boat...in the WATER! And the dang thing wouldn't even stay still!

This job? MUCH less stressful.

As 121 drivers, they can't possibly empathize with any of us about the realities of riding on one of their planes, their world is far disconnected from ours. Jumpseating and non-revving doesn't compare to what most of us have to do 5-8 times a month. We don't choose the flights, they're chosen for us.

You mean when you...what's the word for it?..."Deadhead"? Goofiest thing! My boss schedules me to fly in the back of airliners (not always MY airline!), and I have no say in the matter.

Hmmm. Looks like you're right. You don't know much about airline flying as it relates to airline pilots.

Airlining to and from work is a reality of frac flying.

70% of the pilots at my airline commute to work. That's before they even show up to start work, Poindexter!

-How come there aren't any clocks in airport terminals?

There are lots of clocks. They aren't digital though, so you gotta know how to read the big hand and the little hand.

-What happened to the 2 carry on rule? Clareene and Skeeter get on with their 2 kids with 2-3 suitcases each, backpacks, 2 diaper bags, a bookbag, PSPs, totebags, and a dog. Then act like the cabin is their living room.

They get away with it because they don't use hyperbole to make a point. You should try it!

-What happened to the overhead bag size rule? Ever seen the size of some of these steamer trunks these people carry on?

Hyperbole, Pt II.

-Southwest started it, but now there's a whole lot of Flight Attendants using the word "those" and 'that' to describe everything. "That seatbelt, those tray tables." Gang!

Shift all your Frequent Flyer miles to Continental. That seems to be a popular option.

-Is there a FAR about how many cabin announcements have to be made, and can we get them to limit the announcements to the Federal minimum?

Yes.
You can't.

Plus, just after the Captain tells us that he's expecting some turbulence so he's turning on the seatbelt sign (ding) and to not get out of our seats, the FA comes on and tells us that the Captain has just turned on the seatbelt sign and for us to stay in our seats.

Pesky FAR's!

-God bless the engineers at Bose.

Irony alert! You mean you like when SOME noise cancels OTHER noise?

Me too!

-ever notice that just about the time you realize you're freezing your ass off, they just ran out of blankets?

Mwa-ha-ha! It's working! It's working!
 

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