I thought riding on airline could not get any worse

[Diesel]

2A for this guy.

I don't like 1a because of the bulkhead.

Of course for the last couple of weeks I've been getting 1A. Sadly its a 1900 to hpn.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Wow... the airlines sure do suck for your frac guys...

Maybe everyone would like to move to about 5 specific cities the company chooses...

Oh wait... NJA tried that....

you get to choose to live in allot of places... and that is worth the center or window seat many times... so the airlines stink....but not really...

 

[HA25]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05132008/news/regionalnews/airline_sat_me_on_can_110626.htm

that can't be true! is it?? What kind of idiot would do that?

 

[RTRHD]

so the airlines stink....but not really...

No Really, they do.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No Really, they do.

Then quit your job or quit whining.....

 

[realityman]

Then quit your job or quit whining.....

Yeah, like that'll happen with pilots.

PS- Riding the airlines does stink! Just because it's part of the job doesn't mean it's enjoyable. Or that anyone will ever stop complaining about it.

 

[CA1900]

Of course for the last couple of weeks I've been getting 1A. Sadly its a 1900 to hpn.

But think of the legroom! :laugh:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yeah, like that'll happen with pilots.

PS- Riding the airlines does stink! Just because it's part of the job doesn't mean it's enjoyable. Or that anyone will ever stop complaining about it.

You are missing the point....

If it wasn't for the airlines your choices to live would be limited. That alone is worth it...

Fact is... without the airlines the frac job wouldn't be worth it...

Consider how effective the Frac business model would be w/o the airlines. Then consider how good the frac pilot job would be...

So the window and center seat stink... but not really... small inconvenience for a great job.

 

[RTRHD]

You are missing the point....

If it wasn't for the airlines your choices to live would be limited. That alone is worth it...

Fact is... without the airlines the frac job wouldn't be worth it...

Consider how effective the Frac business model would be w/o the airlines. Then consider how good the frac pilot job would be...

So the window and center seat stink... but not really... small inconvenience for a great job.

I am convinced that we are eventually moving toward using ferry flights for crew transport. Maybe when are one big happy family.

 

[realityman]

You are missing the point....

If it wasn't for the airlines your choices to live would be limited. That alone is worth it...

Fact is... without the airlines the frac job wouldn't be worth it...

Consider how effective the Frac business model would be w/o the airlines. Then consider how good the frac pilot job would be...

So the window and center seat stink... but not really... small inconvenience for a great job.

Actually, I prefer the window seat. And other than yourself, I challenge you to find one single individual who would prefer a center seat. It does stink.

As for making the fracs a better job, I can't argue that the airlines aid in that department. But sorry, they aren't the be-all and end-all for the fracs.

Great wages and benefits along with a good schedule make the fracs what they are. It's only speculation on my part, but I'd put good money on the a guess that had we had the wages , benefits, and schedules 5 years ago that we do now, NJA wouldn't have needed more than 5 bases because folks would still be flocking here for work. Look at the other fracs. They don't have nearly the number of bases we do, but are experiencing good positive growth, and the increase in pilots that comes with it, without lots of bases. What they have (not including FLOPS) are good wages, benefits, and schedules.

And yes, we do use the airlines to get from our home bases to work and back, we'd still get by without them. Probably fewer bases, and a decrease in efficiency, as we'd have to ferry the planes more to move crews, but NJA started out like that and I'm sure they could figure out a solution to make it work again.

All the bases are nice, but they really aren't the biggest reason most folks are coming to work here.

Anyway, the whole point of the thread is that while riding on the airlines is a necessary evil, and will continue to be so, it still is the worst part of the job (which to me means that the job is pretty darn good!). No matter how much they aid in making the job better, it still sucks to ride on them.

 

[Flex-ible]

On last week's rotation, I flew on US Airways, JetBlue, and Southwest. For comfort and entertainment, JetBlue was clearly the winner. Southwest was OK - but the flight wasn't full. US Airways was.....well, US Airways: crowded, cramped, and not too friendly. I did appreciate the full can of Diet Coke, however. Service on the airlines will only improve when we choose it over price when making our selections - and I don't think that's going to happen in the fractional world any time soon. (Can you imagine asking crew scheduling to move you from US Airways to Jet Blue "so I can get a bigger seat and a TV"?)


Any one else notice that Delta's MD-88's have more legroom on the 2 seat side? There are less rows over there than on the 3 seat side.

 

[blueridge71]

I always ask for the full can of diet coke on every airline and they always give it to me. Those dinky little cups only hold a couple of swallows with all that ice that they put in there.

 

[Diesel]

Yeah but you stretch your legs at 1A on the 1900 and the door opens up.

The airlines suck, the FA's hate their jobs, and the TSA make it worse.

The only good thing when I airline to work is knowing that the TSA and the airline industry is job security.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

strongunions effort to get a large number of gateways for the NJA was possible in part because of airline travel....

Economy travel on airlines stinks... nothing great about it.... not sure what whining about it does...

 

[gutshotdraw]

Guess what Rez, International Business Class travel on U.S. carriers stinks too. 14 hours 45 minutes on Untied last week. Two words for you: BRU TAL. Domestic First Class is barely better than a coach seat.

Diesel is right on the mark. Every time I pass through a commercial terminal, the main thing that runs through my feeble excuse of a brain is job security.

And now, $15 bucks to check a bag will be the law of the land by next Friday. Wait til you see the body bags and steamer trunks these yahoos will try and stuff in the overhead now. Thanks American! Just charge more for the tickets you schmucks.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Guess what Rez, International Business Class travel on U.S. carriers stinks too. 14 hours 45 minutes on Untied last week. Two words for you: BRU TAL. Domestic First Class is barely better than a coach seat.

No way in hell is any first class seat anywhere near "barely better" than any coach seat. You must not travel coach much these days. I'll take that "barely better" first class seat any day.

And now, $15 bucks to check a bag will be the law of the land by next Friday. Wait til you see the body bags and steamer trunks these yahoos will try and stuff in the overhead now. Thanks American! Just charge more for the tickets you schmucks.

All they're doing is creating the illusion that they're not raising fares, and letting John Q Public think it's up to him to decide whether he pays the extra or not, by what he does with his bag. Yep, overhead space will be GONE quickly.

 

[acaTerry]

I did appreciate the full can of Diet Coke, however.

:laugh: :laugh: What has it come to when someone is celebrating over getting a full can of soda?:laugh: :laugh:

Try putting that statement out 20 years ago....

 

[gutshotdraw]

No way in hell is any first class seat anywhere near "barely better" than any coach seat. You must not travel coach much these days. I'll take that "barely better" first class seat any day.

Nothing but coach on domestic flights, Grump. I don't live in a fortress hub with Gold or Platinum upgrade status. Yesterday, the flight was so full, they HAD to buy me a domestic First Class seat. Nothing to write home about, but I agree I'll take it when offered.

 

[theskyking]

strongunions effort to get a large number of gateways for the NJA was possible in part because of airline travel....

Economy travel on airlines stinks... nothing great about it.... not sure what whining about it does...

What's your problem, Rez? People like to vent a little bit. While our job is great and this is partly due to the travel infrastructure in the good ol' US, airlining still sucks. All the good parts of our job doesn't change that. And the steps that airlines are taking now just increases the misery.

So get off your soapbox about how good we have it. We know we have it good. Move on and let us cry on each other's shoulders.

 

[Diesel]

I spent 10hrs on a new england to Hawaii leg in Ahem Delta Domestic first class. lets see the seat went back 5 inches but was wider than normal. Unreal.

Although Continental from Europe to EWR with the fuel stop in goosebay on a 757 was about just as brutal.

The fights for the overhead are going to be brutal. I wonder if you have to gate check your bag will you have to pay? Also the lines at the checkin counter are going to be a mile long trying to pay for all these new "fees".

Sigh