US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[psw757]

But hey...you're in PHL! So there's that.

Yep, crashpads in chester and essington where they had curfews all summer long due to the high frequency of murders. Great area!

 

[cactusboy53]

What would be really funny is if some AWA pilot would take a recall out east on the 190 and then have to fly with a capt that was put under him the st nic award.

M

You must have been one of those bent little kids that used to burn ants with a magnifying glass or tore the wings off of flies. What a mean and spiteful thing to say. I think it's time for you to be put back in the corn field for a while.

 

[MCDU]

You are confusing me with your Buddy dope in an rj. He fits in perfectly with the pft crowd at awa. He is your biggest cheerleader. He is vulgar and would be a great asset and addition to the entitlement generation. Hey, look at me I got 3 weeks and I am senior to someone with 17years. Cactus, you and your west posters can kiss the nic goodbye. It's dead. It was an alpa proposal and that union is gone.

M

 

[LearLove]

Any chance any currently jr. 190 guys care to give a cliff notes version of their life on the 190... Avg schedules, days off, commutable, reserve use yadda yadda yadda?

learn to like the Park Plaza in BOS and Hotel Pennsylvania in NY. Both are sh1t holes. They make the Lagoon in PHL look good.

 

[cactusboy53]

You are confusing me with your Buddy dope in an rj. He fits in perfectly with the pft crowd at awa. He is your biggest cheerleader. He is vulgar and would be a great asset and addition to the entitlement generation. Hey, look at me I got 3 weeks and I am senior to someone with 17years. Cactus, you and your west posters can kiss the nic goodbye. It's dead. It was an alpa proposal and that union is gone.

M

For someone that doesn't have a dog in the fight, I see a bunch of sour grapes coming from you. I disagree, and so did two other federal judges (the remaining two judges also agreed, but said it wasn't ripe yet...please don't forget that). The Nicolau Award (it's funny that the CEL crowd still thinks it's a proposal) is here to stay, and will be ratified in a new contract in the future (near? who knows). The aviation world has seen USAPA for exactly what they stand for (Bradford & Cleary's picture next to the definition of "pariah"). Millions & millions lost to be at the same ultimate ending, pity that.

This story reminds me of 1 Samuel 17 (only it's lasting a bit longer). Have a great day M. I'm enjoying only 1.5 days at home today. Got to go, the dog needs a walk.

CB

 

[ableone]

You are confusing me with your Buddy dope in an rj. He fits in perfectly with the pft crowd at awa. He is your biggest cheerleader. He is vulgar and would be a great asset and addition to the entitlement generation. Hey, look at me I got 3 weeks and I am senior to someone with 17years. Cactus, you and your west posters can kiss the nic goodbye. It's dead. It was an alpa proposal and that union is gone.

M

I don't know any pft losers at AWA. I do know a Gulfstream pft loser, pilot wanna-be who frequents these boards though.

Let me give you a hint. - He does not fly for a living but his daddy is an eastie.

Any guesses?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Seniority e state of being senior, superior age. 2. priority, precedence, or status obtained as the result of a person's length of service

Have you noticed that USAPA's dream DOH list does not adjust for LOS?

 

[Question4U]

You are confusing me with your Buddy dope in an rj. He fits in perfectly with the pft crowd at awa. He is your biggest cheerleader. He is vulgar and would be a great asset and addition to the entitlement generation. Hey, look at me I got 3 weeks and I am senior to someone with 17years. Cactus, you and your west posters can kiss the nic goodbye. It's dead. It was an alpa proposal and that union is gone.

M

Since USAPA is so hell bent on DOH how do you justify the furloughed west guys going to the bottom of the east list behind new hires for the nov 15 recall? If you are going to preach something that you want for yourself, at least USAPA could do is stand by it. How can anyone take this union seriously if they pick and choose what rules they want to follow.

 

[psw757]

Since USAPA is so hell bent on DOH how do you justify the furloughed west guys going to the bottom of the east list behind new hires for the nov 15 recall? If you are going to preach something that you want for yourself, at least USAPA could do is stand by it. How can anyone take this union seriously if they pick and choose what rules they want to follow.

This really isn't anything new. If they were going to recall DOH then the recalls would have started with all west instead of the new hires. Being they've run 4 classes already, not gonna happen. Funny thing is, I bet some west people will jump on this. Giving up seniority, 50% paycut, 18 month lock on the east regardless if there are any west openings, crap commute etc.... And the best yet, pretty much giving up on the nicolau, talk about having integrity and sticking to what you believe is right.

By the way, I was also very recently told by a west source that there will most likely be a couple west classes to start the new year.
Hope everyone gets what they want, and soon! Good Luck!

 

[Captzaahlie]

This really isn't anything new. If they were going to recall DOH then the recalls would have started with all west instead of the new hires. Being they've run 4 classes already, not gonna happen. Funny thing is, I bet some west people will jump on this. Giving up seniority, 50% paycut, 18 month lock on the east regardless if there are any west openings, crap commute etc.... And the best yet, pretty much giving up on the nicolau, talk about having integrity and sticking to what you believe is right.

By the way, I was also very recently told by a west source that there will most likely be a couple west classes to start the new year.
Hope everyone gets what they want, and soon! Good Luck!

Just got Hoggs job offer for a position flying a 190 in PHL.

Promptly threw it in the trash.......

 

[psw757]

just got hoggs job offer for a position flying a 190 in phl.

Promptly threw it in the trash.......

hahaha

 

[Question4U]

Just got Hoggs job offer for a position flying a 190 in PHL.

Promptly threw it in the trash.......

What do you mean? You don't want to work for less than Mesa wages and be locked into PHL for 18 months. The good news is your DOH that they preach about is usless and you can be jr. to new hires. What a joke.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Being they've run 4 classes already, not gonna happen. Funny thing is, I bet some west people will jump on this. Giving up seniority, 50% paycut, 18 month lock on the east regardless if there are any west openings, crap commute etc.... And the best yet, pretty much giving up on the nicolau, talk about having integrity and sticking to what you believe is right.

PSW, nobody is jumping on this out west. It seems more like we're all lining up to say no.

 

[Tweaker]

It sounds like an offer you can't help but refuse, but I am sure there are some who are really struggling financially, or live on the "right" coast.

I don't think it is fair to accuse someone who does this of giving up on the Nic award.

 

[psw757]

It sounds like an offer you can't help but refuse, but I am sure there are some who are really struggling financially, or live on the "right" coast.

I don't think it is fair to accuse someone who does this of giving up on the Nic award.

Who said anything about being fair? Nothing is fair in this business, especially at this company. If any original west take this it is a 100 percent sellout. There are more rumored classes for Phx in the next couple months. Why anyone would give up what they earned Over the last 5-6 years to go to the 190 on the very first chance is beyond me.

 

[psw757]

Who said anything about being fair? Nothing is fair in this business, especially at this company. If any original west take this it is a 100 percent sellout. There are more rumored classes for Phx in the next couple months. Why anyone would give up what they earned Over the last 5-6 years to go to the 190 on the very first chance is beyond me.

I think the company is hoping they take it. Creates more of a rift, lowers payroll and then they can put some newhires out west. There is always more to the big picture.

 

[OnTheDole]

not that this applies to me (as I live in PHX) but... if a West furlough lives on the east coast this may very well be an ok deal. Lets face it, there won't be a contract (and thus the NIC) for years and if you live on the east coast doing a 12 month stint on the 190 in PHL to get an east coast base on a group 2 or better A/C while waiting on this 'merger' to be complete might be better than remaining furloughed for the next 12 months then having to commute to PHX when you get recalled.

I dont see it as selling out on the NIC at all. If you ask me - the sell out of the NIC happens every day a west crew shows up to fly while the company allows the east to rape your career. At the end of the day the old question remains... is it better to be 'right' or better to be happy?

 

[OnTheDole]

I think the company is hoping they take it. Creates more of a rift, lowers payroll and then they can put some newhires out west. There is always more to the big picture.

that I agree with.........

 

[psw757]

Your points are all good. I just don't think a contract is as far away as many think. If I'm not mistaken most of the west guys furloughed were on 5th year pay. So your looking at just about a 50 percent paycut. That is a tough pill to swallow for short term happiness. Let's not be nieve here, I really think there will be classes for the Phx base after the holidays. So really, is it worth it? And for the west pilots it's an 18 month lock.

 

[OnTheDole]

18 month east lock yes - but also locked to the 190 for 12 months. Let me be clear - this deal sucks for anyone who wants to be based in PHX, but for someone who was @ AWA and commuted from the east coast this could make their life easier until a joint contract (which could be 'soon' - but I think is light years away)