US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[vetrider]

Not worth the time ,,,dumb as you look? What?

Don't hurt yourself trying to make sense of that. The east's attempt at a DOH cramdown will not ever fly anywhere but in your own minds.

 

[Dornier 335]

I did fly a kite on the beach a few days ago. 23 MPH max rated. It was at least 35 that day. Busted the cross bar plastic thing and sailed into the ocean. Thank you for your concern. No one else felt bad for me. I appreciate it.

Just out of curiosity... Was that you?

Congrats to those that are coming back.

 

[St. Nic]

Don't hurt yourself trying to make sense of that. The east's attempt at a DOH cramdown will not ever fly anywhere but in your own minds.

Uhhh, Tashima and Graber will disagree with you!

 

[bluefin]

Back to the original programming, anyone get their letter yet? if so when does the indoc start?

 

[fwrtg]

Yup -- got letter today. July 2004 West hire. Class start date is Sept. 6

 

[bluefin]

Anyone know how many are going to be in the Sept. 6 class?

 

[xanderman]

Heard 16 from the west.

 

[xanderman]

Uhhh, Tashima and Graber will disagree with you!

What did Tashima and Graber say exactly...? I'll paraphrase here but I believe it was that USAPA is as free as ALPA was to negotiate away form the Nic. However, the minute USAPA implements anything other than the Nic the question of ripeness is answered in the affirmative. As I understand it today the BPR still plans to move ahead with the original DOH list with the C&R's they feel is fair. Clearly the west does not agree with this. The company got involved the other day and I am not stupid enough to pontificate on this board regarding their litigation. Suffice it to say that I believe this is the end game here and we gotta get this behind us. Period.

 

[Crzipilot]

What did Tashima and Graber say exactly...? I'll paraphrase here but I believe it was that USAPA is as free as ALPA was to negotiate away form the Nic. However, the minute USAPA implements anything other than the Nic the question of ripeness is answered in the affirmative. As I understand it today the BPR still plans to move ahead with the original DOH list with the C&R's they feel is fair. Clearly the west does not agree with this. The company got involved the other day and I am not stupid enough to pontificate on this board regarding their litigation. Suffice it to say that I believe this is the end game here and we gotta get this behind us. Period.

You paraphrased a little wrong with your own opinion there. They in fact said the opposite of you. They didn't say the minute USAPA implements ANYTHING other than the nic. They stated unequivocally that when a contract is voted in, then the ripeness question is met. THEY did not tie, ripeness and whether the seniority list had to be nic together. In fact they STATED that even IF the contract does NOT contain the NIC, it doesn't necessarily mean a breach of DFR exists.....

reread the notes and chew on that for a bit...


You guys seems to want the tie the matter of ripeness to the NIC. They are separate. The court basically said, nothing has happened yet, so a determination of breach of DFR is not RIPE, can NOT be determined at this time.

They seemed to do everyone a favor, and stated, that just because the seniority list does not contain the NIC, again doesn't necessarily indicate a breach of DFR. They stated that simply, you have to get a contract, (which hits the ripeness criteria) THEN look at what is contained in that contract to determine if a breach of DFR has happened, and the fact that an INTERNAL UNION PROCESS (from a different union) doesn't mean you have a breach of DFR........

So Easy even a caveman can do it....

 

[dugan jones]

got the certified letter today for the sept 6th E190 class, it says that i may fall within the seniority of those who may be recalled into the Sept 6th class. If my seniority does not hold a position in the class i'll be notified by phone, if i'm in the class i'll receive an information packet via feex.

 

[Guppiedriver]

You paraphrased a little wrong with your own opinion there. They in fact said the opposite of you. They didn't say the minute USAPA implements ANYTHING other than the nic. They stated unequivocally that when a contract is voted in, then the ripeness question is met. THEY did not tie, ripeness and whether the seniority list had to be nic together. In fact they STATED that even IF the contract does NOT contain the NIC, it doesn't necessarily mean a breach of DFR exists.....

reread the notes and chew on that for a bit...


You guys seems to want the tie the matter of ripeness to the NIC. They are separate. The court basically said, nothing has happened yet, so a determination of breach of DFR is not RIPE, can NOT be determined at this time.

They seemed to do everyone a favor, and stated, that just because the seniority list does not contain the NIC, again doesn't necessarily indicate a breach of DFR. They stated that simply, you have to get a contract, (which hits the ripeness criteria) THEN look at what is contained in that contract to determine if a breach of DFR has happened, and the fact that an INTERNAL UNION PROCESS (from a different union) doesn't mean you have a breach of DFR........

So Easy even a caveman can do it....

It's amusing to me that you find interpretation of the law to be so simple. Neither of us can read what was decided by the 9th and determine exactly what they meant.

One thing is certain....you guys signed on the dotted line and agreed that final and binding would be just that. If the courts allow you to weasel out of your obligations, it will turn the world of arbitration upside down. I don't see that happening.

 

[Crzipilot]

Think the only thing it would turn upside down is ALPA's merger policy, which as you have seen, they have already changed how the time line things etc.....

I.E. Yes the NIC list is real, IF ALPA had finilized a contract. Now they are gone, their process is gone. That process contained a possiblity of arbitration (which did occur but never implemented)

So since the merger of the pilot groups never occured, and a new CBA is involved, new rules, new process.....

Seems easy


Besides hijacking this thread....

Welcome back to the furloughed guys that decide to come back....

 

[xanderman]

You paraphrased a little wrong with your own opinion there. They in fact said the opposite of you. They didn't say the minute USAPA implements ANYTHING other than the nic. They stated unequivocally that when a contract is voted in, then the ripeness question is met. THEY did not tie, ripeness and whether the seniority list had to be nic together. In fact they STATED that even IF the contract does NOT contain the NIC, it doesn't necessarily mean a breach of DFR exists.....

reread the notes and chew on that for a bit...


You guys seems to want the tie the matter of ripeness to the NIC. They are separate. The court basically said, nothing has happened yet, so a determination of breach of DFR is not RIPE, can NOT be determined at this time.

They seemed to do everyone a favor, and stated, that just because the seniority list does not contain the NIC, again doesn't necessarily indicate a breach of DFR. They stated that simply, you have to get a contract, (which hits the ripeness criteria) THEN look at what is contained in that contract to determine if a breach of DFR has happened, and the fact that an INTERNAL UNION PROCESS (from a different union) doesn't mean you have a breach of DFR........

So Easy even a caveman can do it....

Okay. Probably some semantics here. Quote the part where they say "unquestionably ripe." In fact post the entire paragraph so we can read it in context. The only reason Nic is tied to this litigation is because USAPA refuses to use it. That is contrary to what I feel is fair representation. Hence the DFR. Regardless the company got involved the other day and one if not both sides is gonna have to take a bite of the s**t sandwich. I look forward to this being over soon. I look forward to people acting like grown-ups and professionals. Imagine an airline where we work collectively for the good of the entire pilot group. Yeah we'll always have our 2%ers but...

Have a good one. BTW did you get in on the recalls? Are you on property now? If not hopefully you got in...

 

[LaGarbage Man]

got the certified letter today for the sept 6th E190 class, it says that i may fall within the seniority of those who may be recalled into the Sept 6th class. If my seniority does not hold a position in the class i'll be notified by phone, if i'm in the class i'll receive an information packet via feex.

OK I lied, I am back in the thread but only long enough to say "Ditto" to what Mr. Dugan Jones has to say. I will be accepting recall (God Help Me). Maybe Sept. 6th class (depends on bypass rate) we will see, Starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel but with anything Airways, It still could be a big ol'e train fixin to make me a part of it's windshield. Now back to your regularly scheduled bitch fest.

 

[WickedPissa]

Any top 20 recalls of east bypassing?