New FOs leaving CAL for Southwest

[catIIIc]

I'm too lazy to read all NINE pages of this thread, so . . .

First year friend of mine at CAL said they typed him in the 737 but it is an SIC type rating, not a PIC type rating. I suppose if they needed you as a CA in Guam (no idea of their Jr. upgrades either BTW) they would.

And his words were also that SWA requires the 737 PIC type rating. So yes, apparently you would still need to fork over the wad (of cash).

Newark kinda ryhmes with 'piece a work'.

Yeah my type has no SIC stipulation, your friend was wrong.

 

[dojetdriver]

You know what guys you're forgetting about the best aviators, us Navy guys.

You know one time my RIO Goose and I were flying over the Indian Ocean and we got into a negative 4g inverted dive with a Mig-28 at a range of about 3 feet!! Tell me any of you could do that. The Navy was so impressed they sent me to Top Gun school. I showed them a thing or two about how to fly an F-14 - who cares about a hard deck, I still waxed the instructors tail! And to top it all off, I banged one of the chick instructors, who looked a lot like Kelly McGillis. You civillian and Air Force clowns couldn't hold a candle to me...

In all seriousness, there are some of us out there who would love to have the chance at either CAL or SWA. Those of you who are employed by either company and argue about which one is better sould like a bunch of spoiled trust fund brats arguing over whether their daddy's Mercedes or BMW is better.

You're Dangerous! (teeth clinching)

 

[Non Union]

You're Dangerous! (teeth clinching)

You're a nerd.

 

[Shrek]

Dude Socal...you hit it man...i am with ya 100%...give me my old Baron job for $200k and i would be in heaven. Much more fun flying low and "slower" than up in the FL's all the time.

Heavy Set...well, what can i say...some just have their heads up in the clouds all the time, while the rest of us actually enjoy flying for what it is. Sorry man, but i do not see things anything like you do. Big planes are no better than the small ones, but for some of you, maybe telling people you fly a big bird makes you feel like a better person...i don't know. I will also agree with Terp, the homelife must not be very good for ya, because i love coming home, it is much more exciting to be with my family than it is to be on a layover somewhere.

WITHOUT A DOUBT ............

 

[Powda5]

CAL's type is a full type. I think JB has the SIC type rating.

I like short flights and hate to sit in the cockpit for a long time. I just like to look out the window and land. I do not care if it's a 777 or a 737 as long as I get to fly for a living and get home often.

Some people love the big iron and the big travel, and they bid based on that because flying IS a big part of a 121 pilot's life -- at least you spend an awful lot of your life doing it.

We're not all going to be the same. You take the first job you get offered and sometimes it's not your perfect gig, but hey--you are the one who applied. If something better comes along, take it. Don't feel bad--when you get furloughed, believe me--the company is not stressing over whether it was 'the right thing to do' for you!!! You have to make your own life work.

You can't say one airline is better than another. I think you must have a strong opinion on what is your 'ideal carrier', and you honestly can't see outside of your own viewpoint.

 

[Lake Alice]

Jetblue is an SIC type.

 

[puddlejumper101]

this thread is ridiculous...but it does make me wonder why I had 3.. count them 3 guys in my class that left CAL for SWA. Did i mention 3???? One had been there over a year. I have friends at CAL and they like it...to each their own. I think SWA is for me...and it has to do with way more than $$$ or the size of the stinkin airplane...if money and airplane size was the same at all carriers I think everyone would want to work at SWA (trust me)

 

[SWA/FO]

And his words were also that SWA requires the 737 PIC type rating. So yes, apparently you would still need to fork over the wad (of cash).

Maybe it would just be a few sim sessions to remove the "VFR only" on the circle. Then you would be good to go!!!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Good luck with that. I predict Southwest will negotiate a CONCESSIONARY contract, the next round. The majors are all coming back, and the arrogance at Southwest will be crushed.

I thought the Pilots at the majors were/are, "Taking it Back". Does that mean more money, more time off, more rig time instead of actual flying, IRO/IRP sitting around getting paid and not flying, more employee tribalism, more "Summers of Love", airplanes sitting around for 55 minutes or more flying through the hubs, and 3-3:59 hub sit arounds?

Wonder what "Taking it Back" will do to costs?

 

[Benhuntn]

Heavy set, you are full of crap. and your head is so far up your butt you need a window in your stomach so you can see where you are going. You are simply repeating the puke you have read here and not factual at all.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Hiring update: UAL has called ALL their furloughees, and they're starting up the list from the bottom. NWAh has only about 40 pilots left on the list who haven't been called.

It'll be very, very interesting to see what happens when AA/USAir/UAL/NWA and everyone else are hiring all at the same time. The big airlines' mgmt, I believe, have no idea how difficult it wil be to get the quality of pilots they want when they start hiring again. The regional mgmt know it's bad for them, but even they might not realize how much worse it will get.

Which mgmt team will be the first to unilaterally raise pilot pay and benefits???

cliff
YIP

 

[dojetdriver]

Hi!

Hiring update: UAL has called ALL their furloughees, and they're starting up the list from the bottom. NWAh has only about 40 pilots left on the list who haven't been called.

It'll be very, very interesting to see what happens when AA/USAir/UAL/NWA and everyone else are hiring all at the same time. The big airlines' mgmt, I believe, have no idea how difficult it wil be to get the quality of pilots they want when they start hiring again. The regional mgmt know it's bad for them, but even they might not realize how much worse it will get.

Which mgmt team will be the first to unilaterally raise pilot pay and benefits???

cliff
YIP

Well, it's just an opinion. I don't think there will be quite the "quality of pilots" problem you speak of. When all the above listed companies start to hire, I seriously doubt it is going to be like the bat sh1t pre 9/11 frenzy.

Of some of the companies hiring right now;

CAL-plenty of qualified guys have applied, just can't get called. Don't know enough people.

DAL-Same, plenty of guys filled out the airlinesapps, same thing.

FedEX-How many apps on file? 10,000 or something? I'm sure pleny of those guys are qualifed, still, no call. Don't know enough people or have the requisite number of moon landings in their log book.

UPS-Excluding that whole "trans-oceanic" thing, still plenty of guys applying that are qualified and apply (when the window opens), not gettting called.

With guys seperating from the military, the bazillion regional CA's out there with 1000's of PIC, the fractional guy looking to move in the airlines, and whoever else, I don't think the airlines will suffer from a talent shortage. There are just too many qualified people for it to get that desperate.

 

[Lake Alice]

Well, it's just an opinion. I don't think there will be quite the "quality of pilots" problem you speak of. When all the above listed companies start to hire, I seriously doubt it is going to be like the bat sh1t pre 9/11 frenzy.

Of some of the companies hiring right now;

CAL-plenty of qualified guys have applied, just can't get called. Don't know enough people.

DAL-Same, plenty of guys filled out the airlinesapps, same thing.

FedEX-How many apps on file? 10,000 or something? I'm sure pleny of those guys are qualifed, still, no call. Don't know enough people or have the requisite number of moon landings in their log book.

UPS-Excluding that whole "trans-oceanic" thing, still plenty of guys applying that are qualified and apply (when the window opens), not gettting called.

With guys seperating from the military, the bazillion regional CA's out there with 1000's of PIC, the fractional guy looking to move in the airlines, and whoever else, I don't think the airlines will suffer from a talent shortage. There are just too many qualified people for it to get that desperate.

Agreed. The statistics have always been more of Kit Darby/flight school number than a reality. Kit needed to keep his business afloat and flight schools needed students. Along with the upcoming age change things will not be as dire as many have speculated.

 

[whymeworry?]

Hey, if it floats their boat. So what if they leave CAL. Perhaps this sends a message to absurdly overpaid mgmt that health insurance for a pilot is a smal price to pay compared to the cost of recruitment, training... and oh yeah, employee loyalty.

 

[Scrapdog]

Dude it's just a job. Calm down.

You know what brother - you're right. I apologize for getting out of line earlier. I forgot some humility in getting worked up over a very few select f**ksticks on here that hold a ridiculous grudge towards mil guys. When I finished the Eagle B course my commander told me it's an honor and not a right to fly for your country, and he's right.

This thread was certainly not my best showing. After all, it is - just a job. Being a good person is ultimately what takes the cake.