New FOs leaving CAL for Southwest

[Hvy]

I really don't get the fascination with large aircraft. I'd rather fly a light twin for $200K a year than a 747 for $150K. As far away places go... so what, my favorite airport is the one where I park the airplane at and go home. It's all about QOL and pay, and QOL is far more important.

Unless you have flown large aircraft you really have a twisted impression on what it does or does not offer. I have flown both, from 737s to 747s. For me, I enjoy the much larger cockpit, world travel and 19-21 days off/month, just to name a few. To me, there is a huge difference in job satisfaction flying larger planes to Hong Kong, Sydney or Shanghai and seeing the world. Boise or Kansas City layovers just aren't for me.

Maybe once you've flown them you'll understand that fascination with larger aircraft. QOL on a large aircraft at my company is a pretty good lifestyle. Much better than the smaller ones.

 

[Hvy]

This coming from bozo who thinks flying an ILS without a flight director in the sim is an ecliptic challenge. AA? Not even hiring idiot. DAL and United? Both still in bankruptcy with United not hiring yet either (and probably for a considerable while). SWA? Yeah - if you like the 737 gig for the next 30 years of your life. FDX and UPS - sure, understandable.

I think you need you need to take a break from your raw data ILS practice and smell the coffee buffoon. There are plenty of app's on file and they're hiring like crazy with confirmed orders on both 73 NG's and 787's at CAL. Yeah, when you were hired at CAL that may have been the case, but now we're replacing clown's such as yourself with guys that have a good attitude, and are glad to be here.

I'll let you get back to your callouts...

United has been out of bankruptcy for over a year.

 

[Hvy]

You guys act like I'm Don Imus or something. I just said, I don't rip on the mil guys all the time. Just some of the times.

You guys going to call the rainbowPush coalition so they can picket me the next time I check in? Sensitive folks....:bawling:

You can rip on the military guys all you want. But when push comes to shove they can take off safely, navigate a jet route, fly an ILS or taxi back to the terminal just like you.

I'm just wondering how you would stack up against them landing on a carrier deck at night, dropping bombs or ACM? Not too well, I'd imagine.

 

[instructordude]

Scrapdog, You need to learn a little about humility. Serving in the military is an honor and is done to protect our country. It is not about proving how cool you are on flightinfo. When you use your military job to try and discredit someone who has not done what you do, you cheapen your service and give other military members a bad name. Just something to think about.

I don't think Scrapdog is putting anybody down. The guy has flown combat in the Eagle and Fighting Falcon. FOR A GUY LIKE THIS, FLYING FOR AN AIRLINE IS BORING AND EASY!!!! And no, I am not kissing his butt. It has to be hard for him to read this stuff on here after what he has done. I look up to Scrapdog.

 

[Quimby]

Look, here's the deal SWA/FO. You are a man of words and no action, plain and simple. You love to bag on military guys (it is a pathetic trend for you - you do it over and over), yet you've never served your country. I don't need any thanks from you about serving, I'm glad to do it and I'm very proud...however if you're going to give me sh*t about my military service as a "kernel" (which everytime you say it, you sound like a retard) or my flying abilities (which I can garuntee you I can fly your a$$ out of a paper bag), then at least have some credibility by having somewhat of a military background as well.

Look dude, I do the same job as you - I fly the 737, and it's not that friggin hard. I know, I just crushed your little world...but besides having a non-normal, or a gusty crosswind, it's not rocket science. However, leading 4 jets downtown on a opposed surface attack mission with both an air-air and air-ground threat is extremely challenging, time and time again. That of course, you would have no clue about...however I think my point is proven.

You going to keep giving me sh*t about being a VFR F-teen pilot and a "kernel?" Fine, but back it up...and that's something you'll never be able to do.

So you've got things wired as a brand new FO in an airplane you've got no experience in at airports you have no experience going into? Are are you even off IOE yet? Bet you're a treat to fly with.

 

[Quimby]

Judging by the types of planes you fly or have flown (in your sidebar), you really don't care about the size of any plane. If you actually had a chance to fly something larger, you probably would love it, and a 737 would seem like a light twin. I flew 747s for Tower Air before they went away, and it really was great. Wouldn't it be great to fly a large plane to far away places for great pay? Most majors will offer that again.

Why are you so concerned about what a/c people fly & where they fly them to? Seriously. What's your deal with this?

 

[SWA/FO]

I'm just wondering how you would stack up against them landing on a carrier deck at night, dropping bombs or ACM? Not too well, I'd imagine.

Well, I guess if I received training just like the mil folks did, then I could probably do it. But this train of thought does not transfer over on the other side of the fence.

Some f-teen folks figure, since they fly a fighter they can fly an airliner. I've heard some nasty radio work, improper calls to ATC, and most don't even know what the AIM is. Sure they can fly.

I was recently asked about lost comm procedures from a new Capt. (who is a zoomie), he frankly didn't know what he would do if he lost all his radios? Or I should say what he wanted to do was 180 degrees off of what the FAA expects one to do. This is something I have known since I was 18 years old.

Are these bad people? no. If a mil guy approaches his new civilian job with an attitude that he doesn't know everything and wants to learn his new job. I don't have a problem.

When an f-teen claims 2000 hours of fighter time is worth 10000 civilain time - I have to laugh very hard.

If I was to learn mil stuff, I would show up to learn. I would not walk around with a stick up my a$$, demanding respect cus I flew civilian airplanes. Calling people un-American cus they don't like my opinion or attitude.

 

[NEDude]

You know what guys you're forgetting about the best aviators, us Navy guys.

You know one time my RIO Goose and I were flying over the Indian Ocean and we got into a negative 4g inverted dive with a Mig-28 at a range of about 3 feet!! Tell me any of you could do that. The Navy was so impressed they sent me to Top Gun school. I showed them a thing or two about how to fly an F-14 - who cares about a hard deck, I still waxed the instructors tail! And to top it all off, I banged one of the chick instructors, who looked a lot like Kelly McGillis. You civillian and Air Force clowns couldn't hold a candle to me...

In all seriousness, there are some of us out there who would love to have the chance at either CAL or SWA. Those of you who are employed by either company and argue about which one is better sould like a bunch of spoiled trust fund brats arguing over whether their daddy's Mercedes or BMW is better.

 

[Lake Alice]

You can rip on the military guys all you want. But when push comes to shove they can take off safely, navigate a jet route, fly an ILS or taxi back to the terminal just like you.

I'm just wondering how you would stack up against them landing on a carrier deck at night, dropping bombs or ACM? Not too well, I'd imagine.

Another typical military pilot who thinks he/she is better than his/her civilian counterparts. You had be trained to drop your bombs and land on a carrier unless, of course, you are suggesting you are just that good and you came out of the womb with those skills. The civilian pilots you feel so superior to could easily be trained to do your military flying. The equalizer here is you already operate in the civilian environment and they already do it better than you.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I don't think Scrapdog is putting anybody down. The guy has flown combat in the Eagle and Fighting Falcon.

Or maybe not.

PM him and ask him to list his "combat" time.

 

[ACWild]

Dude Socal...you hit it man...i am with ya 100%...give me my old Baron job for $200k and i would be in heaven. Much more fun flying low and "slower" than up in the FL's all the time.

Heavy Set...well, what can i say...some just have their heads up in the clouds all the time, while the rest of us actually enjoy flying for what it is. Sorry man, but i do not see things anything like you do. Big planes are no better than the small ones, but for some of you, maybe telling people you fly a big bird makes you feel like a better person...i don't know. I will also agree with Terp, the homelife must not be very good for ya, because i love coming home, it is much more exciting to be with my family than it is to be on a layover somewhere.

Generally the same sentiment here, which is why CAL works for me. I live 50 minutes from the airport and fly day trips.
Next month I go to the 777. If nothing changes, I should be doing about a trip a month while on reserve. Although this may not be everybody's cup of tea, it sure does fit nicely with some of us.

 

[Crossky]

Maybe CAL should quit typing the new hires in the 737. I guess that would stop the pilots from getting the type rating and leaving.

I'm too lazy to read all NINE pages of this thread, so . . .

First year friend of mine at CAL said they typed him in the 737 but it is an SIC type rating, not a PIC type rating. I suppose if they needed you as a CA in Guam (no idea of their Jr. upgrades either BTW) they would.

And his words were also that SWA requires the 737 PIC type rating. So yes, apparently you would still need to fork over the wad (of cash).

Newark kinda ryhmes with 'piece a work'.

 

[av8orboy]

Remember, some people don't care about what type of plane they fly, as long as the money is right. Regardless of looking like a corndog and flying plenty of intra Texas flights or many flights per day to cities that may not even be enjoyable on a layover(MAF, AMA, BUF, OMA, GEG, ISP etc), they do it. For them it is all about flying hard (5-6 flights a day with 25 minute turns and mostly short layovers), and playing hard. Who cares if it is like flying for a well paying regional, they will do it, and with a smile, until exhaustion finally overcomes them. Continental only offers them larger planes, more variety in flying, as quick or quciker upgrade (now running 2 1/2 years), and good pay once they get away from the first year. That could be a reason people leave early on, that first year pay is pathetic. The crew bases at Continental also aren't very desireable, making a commute almost necessary, but the variety in planes and layovers probably makes up for that. But don't tell that to a Southwest pilot, he/she simply doesn't care, it is all about the benjamins.

Well said.

 

[av8orboy]

Well, I'm 30 years old, and as much as I'd like to have colonel's pay ("kernal" for idiots that pretend they can't spell it), I'm still a captain. However, I'm a proud captain, and I'm glad to serve my country, whatever or wherever it may be! I'm even proud to serve a$$holes who continuously bag on military pilots and call them "kernals." Do you know any guys like that by chance?

Oh, I forgot to tell you SWA/FO - today I shot an ILS in ACTUAL WX and it was down pretty low. It even had some rain (and yes, I was scared)!! Probably not as precise as you of course (and I wasn't that tough on myself - I kept the flight director on unlike Doubleclown), however I landed the jet safely. I'll continue to strive on my ILS technique - you and Doublebuffoon of course set the standard on instrument approach flying. It's still baby steps for this F-teen pilot on shooting that dreaded instrument landing system approach.

Let me know when you want to start working on your formation flying, this "kernal"/captain is glad to lend a helping hand - even to jerkoffs like yourself.

Until then you can find me working on my bombing the PX and the BOQ.

Sincerely, VFR F-teen pilot

Dude it's just a job. Calm down.

 

[rf285]

I'm too lazy to read all NINE pages of this thread, so . . .

First year friend of mine at CAL said they typed him in the 737 but it is an SIC type rating, not a PIC type rating. I suppose if they needed you as a CA in Guam (no idea of their Jr. upgrades either BTW) they would.

And his words were also that SWA requires the 737 PIC type rating. So yes, apparently you would still need to fork over the wad (of cash).

Newark kinda ryhmes with 'piece a work'.

Um, My ATP says B-737. Circling VMC only. That is the standard type rating. I got it from CAL.

 

[catIIIc]

I'm too lazy to read all NINE pages of this thread, so . . .

First year friend of mine at CAL said they typed him in the 737 but it is an SIC type rating, not a PIC type rating. I suppose if they needed you as a CA in Guam (no idea of their Jr. upgrades either BTW) they would.

And his words were also that SWA requires the 737 PIC type rating. So yes, apparently you would still need to fork over the wad (of cash).

Newark kinda ryhmes with 'piece a work'.

Yeah my type has no SIC stipulation, your friend was wrong.

 

[dojetdriver]

You know what guys you're forgetting about the best aviators, us Navy guys.

You know one time my RIO Goose and I were flying over the Indian Ocean and we got into a negative 4g inverted dive with a Mig-28 at a range of about 3 feet!! Tell me any of you could do that. The Navy was so impressed they sent me to Top Gun school. I showed them a thing or two about how to fly an F-14 - who cares about a hard deck, I still waxed the instructors tail! And to top it all off, I banged one of the chick instructors, who looked a lot like Kelly McGillis. You civillian and Air Force clowns couldn't hold a candle to me...

In all seriousness, there are some of us out there who would love to have the chance at either CAL or SWA. Those of you who are employed by either company and argue about which one is better sould like a bunch of spoiled trust fund brats arguing over whether their daddy's Mercedes or BMW is better.

You're Dangerous! (teeth clinching)

 

[Non Union]

You're Dangerous! (teeth clinching)

You're a nerd.

 

[Shrek]

Dude Socal...you hit it man...i am with ya 100%...give me my old Baron job for $200k and i would be in heaven. Much more fun flying low and "slower" than up in the FL's all the time.

Heavy Set...well, what can i say...some just have their heads up in the clouds all the time, while the rest of us actually enjoy flying for what it is. Sorry man, but i do not see things anything like you do. Big planes are no better than the small ones, but for some of you, maybe telling people you fly a big bird makes you feel like a better person...i don't know. I will also agree with Terp, the homelife must not be very good for ya, because i love coming home, it is much more exciting to be with my family than it is to be on a layover somewhere.

WITHOUT A DOUBT ............

 

[Powda5]

CAL's type is a full type. I think JB has the SIC type rating.

I like short flights and hate to sit in the cockpit for a long time. I just like to look out the window and land. I do not care if it's a 777 or a 737 as long as I get to fly for a living and get home often.

Some people love the big iron and the big travel, and they bid based on that because flying IS a big part of a 121 pilot's life -- at least you spend an awful lot of your life doing it.

We're not all going to be the same. You take the first job you get offered and sometimes it's not your perfect gig, but hey--you are the one who applied. If something better comes along, take it. Don't feel bad--when you get furloughed, believe me--the company is not stressing over whether it was 'the right thing to do' for you!!! You have to make your own life work.

You can't say one airline is better than another. I think you must have a strong opinion on what is your 'ideal carrier', and you honestly can't see outside of your own viewpoint.