ASA Bad news is out.

[JumpersAway]

We will survive this mess, just ride it out for a year. I think mainline may fare worse in the coming months...

Yea- I'm thinking you're right. It's easy to get irritated and get fired up over it, but in the end, we've got it alright. Most of the other airlines have furloughed far more than we have- or will, I feel.

Bottom line is we've got to keep our performance up in order to get the folks on the street back. It's not a guarantee, but it's a better shot than shutting the place down in a hissy fit.

However, I would like to hear some straight talk on why ASA wasn't good enough for Salt Lake, but how SkyWest is good enough for Atlanta, on what seems to be a growing basis.

Unfortunately, I am hearing that Delta is eyeing close to 2000 furloughs- hope this isn't true. Frankly, it's a mess no one needs, especially given that Delta is the most likely candidate for hiring and our source of attrition. On a side note- it may actually drive the Mesaba and Compass cost structures up enough to help us attain our 80% lock in with Delta. Who knows what's going to happen, but so far, most of us seem to be weathering the storm, for now....................

 

[Andy Neill]

Thanks again, you free-riding bunch of gutless shortsighted idiots.

Can't you just feel the love?

 

[Speedtape]

Delta sold ASA

Dang! I guess there is one exception!

Why? They had to survive. Had they not sold ASA, they would not have had the cash to deposit in escrow to meet the conditions dictated by the Credit Card Companies to allow the continued credit card transactions of selling tickets. No escrow--No revenue--No Cash Flow--No Chaper 11--No Future! In addition, part of the money from the sale was necessary for Mainline to be able to survive and enter into and then exit bankruptcy. Otherwise--there would be no Delta, no ASA, no Skywest, and no surviving Cash Cow, had Chapter 11 not been successful.

Corrected statement: Only a fool would sell a Cash Cow, except to protect a greater financial interest and to survive bankruptcy.

 

[Speedtape]

Can't you just feel the love?

Sorry for one pilot's expression. He is entitled to his opinion.

However, not everyone feels that way. We can only benefit each other, as pilot groups, if we keep the respect and communications open. Both pilot groups have been able to improve our individual work rules by leveraging off each other. We have more in common, than we have differences. Peace, Out!

 

[buscap]

Sorry for one pilot's expression. He is entitled to his opinion.

However, not everyone feels that way. We can only benefit each other, as pilot groups, if we keep the respect and communications open. Both pilot groups have been able to improve our individual work rules by leveraging off each other. We have more in common, than we have differences. Peace, Out!

Hey Speedtape!!!

Let me know how you feel when our planes start to go away, while Skywest Inc. somehow finds more flying for Skywest Airlines.

And the only improvements leverage off the two groups so far have been improvements for the OO folks, after our contract was hammered out.

Quit sucking up to those goons. They don't want a union, and are very happy to reap the benefits. When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position. At this point I have more respect for the pilots at MESA.

That is sad.

 

[JoeMerchant]

There is flying being done in ATL by SkyWest that ASA could do. We don't even need their airplanes, we have plenty of spares.

What flying is that? Specifics....Do you actually believe Skywest/ASA is purposely losing flying and trying to get more?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I do not agree.

As long as Skywest airlines continues to fly 900s into ATL, under a certificate originally put together by ASA pilots, and does not have pilots on the street...then it is all sunshine and rainbows over there.

And it sucks more here. But it is our choice. We are being punished for having a union while you are rewarded for not having a union.

But of course we are also part of the only organization which successfully advocates for pilots and airline safety on the world stage. We are part of an organization which has raised the quality of life and standard of living throughout the industry's entire history.

And it is that very organization to which the pilots of Skywest airlines owe their level of pay and quality of life. That very organization which the pilots of skywest airlines have refused to support, while still benefitting from its efforts. Efforts, paid for by the cash and sweat of unionized pilots across the country.

An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got.

Thanks again, you free-riding bunch of gutless shortsighted idiots.

Another ALPA koolaid drinking idiot...Praise ALPA!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey Speedtape!!!

Let me know how you feel when our planes start to go away, while Skywest Inc. somehow finds more flying for Skywest Airlines.

And the only improvements leverage off the two groups so far have been improvements for the OO folks, after our contract was hammered out.

Quit sucking up to those goons. They don't want a union, and are very happy to reap the benefits. When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position. At this point I have more respect for the pilots at MESA.

That is sad.

Quit sucking up to a failed union....Many of us here don't want ALPA.....Mesa has done more to bring down pay and workrules than Skywest.....Put down the ALPA crack pipe Man!

 

[buscap]

Joe,

You fail to RTFP (Read The Freakin Post).

I said "When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position."

and "An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got."

ALPA is simply the lesser of evils to me.

Those idiots should at least join the International butt-kissers guild.

You and I both know where their payscale and QOL would be if the rest of us and our predecessors weren't in a union.

And just how are we ever gonna get that single branded flying crap, without a union?

Is ALPA perfect? FOOOOKKKK no! But that changes nothing about my comments on Skywest pilots.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

You fail to RTFP (Read The Freakin Post).

I said "When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position."

and "An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got."

ALPA is simply the lesser of evils to me.

Those idiots should at least join the International butt-kissers guild.

You and I both know where their payscale and QOL would be if the rest of us and our predecessors weren't in a union.

And just how are we ever gonna get that single branded flying crap, without a union?

Is ALPA perfect? FOOOOKKKK no! But that changes nothing about my comments on Skywest pilots.

They have no reason to join ALPA....They are doing what every other pilot group does, ALPA or not....They are looking out for what is best for them!

It's time we did the same....ALPA is making it harder to join forces with the Skywest pilots....It's time to quit believing in a failed organization!

I read the post....I don't support organizations simply because "they are the best we have"....I voted Libertarian in the last election because I am tired of the Republicans....I'm done supporting the lessor of two evils....

 

[whalefat]

Because everyone at ASA is to thick headed to realize what's going on around them. Skywest is taking care of themselves as you'd expect and ASA is and will continue to be screwed... Why do you think I'm on leave..

I don't wish a furlough on anyone, but I see Skywest 200's in atl now everyday. They are flying in and out of cvg with 200's. Not to mention all of the 900's! Everything we hear at ASA is we will be doing the flying on the east, and skywest in the west. Well now skywest is in the east and west, and we are only in the east and furloughing. So, why is skywest not sharing in the pain? Sure they can't take our planes due to our cba, but they can take our flying and we have no option other than to furlough. Things are bad right now, and I understand the need to furlough, but if skywest is shifting flying to prevent there own group from furloughing at our expense then that is a serious problem with serious consequenses to the pilot morale here at asa. When morale goes south, so does performance, and then our delta contract is at risk, which will cost Inc alot more money than the possibility of a union at skywest.

 

[sweptback]

What flying is that? Specifics....Do you actually believe Skywest/ASA is purposely losing flying and trying to get more?

You must not be flying the line much. If you were, you'd notice a few SkyWest planes flying out of ATL and CVG.

I've seen CRJs, CR7s, and CR9s of SkyWest's here. We probably couldn't swing the CR9 routes, but we could definitely do the CRJ and CR7 flying they do with the current aircraft we have.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You must not be flying the line much. If you were, you'd notice a few SkyWest planes flying out of ATL and CVG.

I've seen CRJs, CR7s, and CR9s of SkyWest's here. We probably couldn't swing the CR9 routes, but we could definitely do the CRJ and CR7 flying they do with the current aircraft we have.

...actually I'm not flying that much....I have noticed some Skywest planes in ATL in CVG....

1. The CVG flying once belonged to the Comair pilots....I guess you don't mind it when we take that flying....apparantly you have already claimed it as "ours"....

2. The 900s should be at ASA...but you and your fellow hardline ALPA chest thumpers decided to take on Jerry....He won and transferred the airplanes....Suck it up and move on....It wouldn't have been my choice, but the majority decided they wanted to fight instead....

3. There is a 10% reduction in Sept....That isn't being done by Skywest...

Would one of the Skywest dispatchers that lurk please post the actual hours of 50 and 70 seat flying that Skywest does in ATL...sweptback is delusional if he thinks that will actually pick up the slack...

Sweptback, you and the other hardliners have picked a fight you can't win....Pick you battles more carefully.....

 

[crj567]

...actually I'm not flying that much....I have noticed some Skywest planes in ATL in CVG....

1. The CVG flying once belonged to the Comair pilots....I guess you don't mind it when we take that flying....apparantly you have already claimed it as "ours"....

2. The 900s should be at ASA...but you and your fellow hardline ALPA chest thumpers decided to take on Jerry....He won and transferred the airplanes....Suck it up and move on....It wouldn't have been my choice, but the majority decided they wanted to fight instead....

3. There is a 10% reduction in Sept....That isn't being done by Skywest...

Would one of the Skywest dispatchers that lurk please post the actual hours of 50 and 70 seat flying that Skywest does in ATL...sweptback is delusional if he thinks that will actually pick up the slack...

Sweptback, you and the other hardliners have picked a fight you can't win....Pick you battles more carefully.....

I think his point was very simple...

If Skywest can fly AT ALL from Atlanta, then we should be doing SOME flying out of SLC. There is simply no logicistical or common-sense reason for them to be here in the first place.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think his point was very simple...

If Skywest can fly AT ALL from Atlanta, then we should be doing SOME flying out of SLC. There is simply no logicistical or common-sense reason for them to be here in the first place.

What's the "logical" reason we are in CVG while CMR furloughs?

Funny how ALPA cheerleaders get their panties in a wad when a Skywest plane shows up in ATL...yet look the other way in CVG.....Hypocrites!

The 900s would have been ASA crews if the hardliners hadn't try to dictate the way things would be with Jerry.....Keep sticking your finger in his eye and you aren't going to like the result....Just sayin....

 

[crj567]

What's the "logical" reason we are in CVG while CMR furloughs?

Funny how ALPA cheerleaders get their panties in a wad when a Skywest plane shows up in ATL...yet look the other way in CVG.....Hypocrites!

The 900s would have been ASA crews if the hardliners hadn't try to dictate the way things would be with Jerry.....Keep sticking your finger in his eye and you aren't going to like the result....Just sayin....

-Non-responsive to the point.

Point being that we are a Wholly-owned subsidiary of Skywest-and as such, SKYW has total control over what they do with us. Skywest decisions have no bearing on Comair.

I think the point still stands. ATL is our only base. We need more flying. Why not let us cover ATL flying, rather than SKYW hauling some bucket halfway across the country just to "poke a finger in our eye?"

Comair's situation sucks, but we have no control over DAL's decisions. SKYW has complete control over who gets the flying and who gets furloughed.

Joe-Every post you make just turns into a platitude... Why not rejoin the world one day? The RJDC is dead-and your approval or disapproval of ALPA will never bring it back.

 

[Erlanger]

Some of you think that just because a pilot works for a union carrier means that every pilot there is in favor of the union. Even though a new union vote to reaffirm ALPA at ASA may pass, I wonder what percentage would vote no.

If ASA pilots were offered a choice;

A) Continue with ASA and ALPA and being the redheaded step child of Skywest

or

B) dissolve ASA and get integrated by date of hire into Skywest pilots' senority list without a union or any chance of a union vote in the forseeable future.

Hmmm! I wonder what most of the ASA pilots would choose? And most of you at ASA on here that talk trash would probably be first in line at Skywest's door.

 

[Speedtape]

Some of you think that just because a pilot works for a union carrier means that every pilot there is in favor of the union. Even though a new union vote to reaffirm ALPA at ASA may pass, I wonder what percentage would vote no.

If ASA pilots were offered a choice;

A) Continue with ASA and ALPA and being the redheaded step child of Skywest

or

B) dissolve ASA and get integrated by date of hire into Skywest pilots' senority list without a union or any chance of a union vote in the forseeable future.

Hmmm! I wonder what most of the ASA pilots would choose? And most of you at ASA on here that talk trash would probably be first in line at Skywest's door.

B) is not on the table and never will be.


Frankly, I like option (C).

C) Delta Mec negotiates scope so that only Alpa Connectors get any future growth.

 

[Nevets]

How do you propose that ASA simply "acquire more flying"? Do you really believe they haven't been trying? How would you "acquire more flying"?

How about pro-rate flying just as SKW is doing?

Both pilot groups have been able to improve our individual work rules by leveraging off each other.

What leverage does the individual at-will pilot at Skywest have?

Keep sticking your finger in his eye and you aren't going to like the result...

Unions are the finger in his eye so you are not going to like the result anyways.

Some of you think that just because a pilot works for a union carrier means that every pilot there is in favor of the union. Even though a new union vote to reaffirm ALPA at ASA may pass, I wonder what percentage would vote no.

If ASA pilots were offered a choice;

A) Continue with ASA and ALPA and being the redheaded step child of Skywest

or

B) dissolve ASA and get integrated by date of hire into Skywest pilots' senority list without a union or any chance of a union vote in the forseeable future.

Hmmm! I wonder what most of the ASA pilots would choose? And most of you at ASA on here that talk trash would probably be first in line at Skywest's door.

JA would not go for that anyways.

 

[CFI2766]

There is flying being done in ATL by SkyWest that ASA could do. We don't even need their airplanes, we have plenty of spares.

I hear ya', but why then are our D0 and A14 numbers where they are?