ASA Bad news is out.

[DirtySowf]

I just hope all my overweight Dallas commuters are safe. We need stronger contract language to protect these guys.

 

[JoeMerchant]

They can transfer all the flying they want, they just can't furlough anybody.

At some point, there will be a motivation for ASA to acquire more flying if Delta continues to reduce.

How do you propose that ASA simply "acquire more flying"? Do you really believe they haven't been trying? How would you "acquire more flying"?

 

[johnpeace]

How do you propose that ASA simply "acquire more flying"? Do you really believe they haven't been trying? How would you "acquire more flying"?

In one of the threads where we were talking about all of the recent RAH acquisitions, someone mentioned Skywest buying UAL (or enough of it to effect policy there).

Buying UAL and replacing a big chunk of their domestic flying with Skywest/ASA RJs would be a pathway toward 'acquire more flying'.

Then again, UAL is toxic enough that I don't expect Skywest's shrewd investors to want to have anything to do with it. Eventually though, they'll have to consider that taking no action at all will probably result in the destruction of Skywest's biggest customer.

 

[JoeMerchant]

In one of the threads where we were talking about all of the recent RAH acquisitions, someone mentioned Skywest buying UAL (or enough of it to effect policy there).

Buying UAL and replacing a big chunk of their domestic flying with Skywest/ASA RJs would be a pathway toward 'acquire more flying'.

Then again, UAL is toxic enough that I don't expect Skywest's shrewd investors to want to have anything to do with it. Eventually though, they'll have to consider that taking no action at all will probably result in the destruction of Skywest's biggest customer.

That may be a possiblity down the road, but it needs to be done based on the basis of a good business decision....I don't think that is what sweptback had in mind when he implied that they can just "acquire more flying"....If it makes good financial sense, I'm sure Jerry is looking at it....

 

[outtahere]

I don't wish a furlough on anyone, but I see Skywest 200's in atl now everyday. They are flying in and out of cvg with 200's. Not to mention all of the 900's! Everything we hear at ASA is we will be doing the flying on the east, and skywest in the west. Well now skywest is in the east and west, and we are only in the east and furloughing. So, why is skywest not sharing in the pain? Sure they can't take our planes due to our cba, but they can take our flying and we have no option other than to furlough. Things are bad right now, and I understand the need to furlough, but if skywest is shifting flying to prevent there own group from furloughing at our expense then that is a serious problem with serious consequenses to the pilot morale here at asa. When morale goes south, so does performance, and then our delta contract is at risk, which will cost Inc alot more money than the possibility of a union at skywest.

 

[777_Jackpot]

In one of the threads where we were talking about all of the recent RAH acquisitions, someone mentioned Skywest buying UAL (or enough of it to effect policy there).

Buying UAL and replacing a big chunk of their domestic flying with Skywest/ASA RJs would be a pathway toward 'acquire more flying'.

Then again, UAL is toxic enough that I don't expect Skywest's shrewd investors to want to have anything to do with it. Eventually though, they'll have to consider that taking no action at all will probably result in the destruction of Skywest's biggest customer.

You've hit the nail on the head. With the obvious uncertainty with the future revenues from UAL (see article below) in question. I could easily see SKYW just waiting for Tilton to have absolutely no further options but to except some sort of cash for control infusion from SKYW to secure more flying for INC. The only variable is how long they will have to hold out for that time to come. This would be almost the same as what Republic has done to secure more revenue/flying.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?articleId=32164

 

[XPOO]

Just to let you all know, it isn't all rainbows and sunshine over here at SKW, either. Just an observation from my side, and I may be wrong, but we seem to be a little more flexible over here in helping give the company what it needs to keep from seeing too many lose their jobs.

However, lately, we have lost almost 400 people in SLC due to Delta taking over. We have lost numerous agents in the mountain west cities due to Comair taking over. Many people are being dispaced as the EMBs quickly fade out of the UAL system. Many of our DL livery aircraft have been turned into generics and thrown in the UAL system and are flying at-risk now. We have a constant rotation of 8 aircraft in c-check nowadays. We have the impending doom of what to do with the people/aircraft from the Midwest program. Everything may look hunky-dorey over here, but its not.

And not one of us at SKW feel any better about what's going on here when we have to read bad news such as yours.

This company does its best to look out for its employees, what we all need to remember is that we need to return that favor as well. We all need to show up, excede expectations, and it will make things easier on everyone. I fully believe that.

 

[Papa Woody]

No one, except a fool, sells a Cash Cow!

Delta sold ASA

 

[Papa Woody]

So, why is skywest not sharing in the pain?

Relax!

United is probably going to be liquidated within the year.

Pain comin' to a Skywest near you!

 

[CFI2766]

Relax!

United is probably going to be liquidated within the year.

Pain comin' to a Skywest near you!

This depends on fuel prices. Potentially by the end of the year, but not a given, by any stretch.

Now, if fuel doubles overnight, say, with a shooting war in IRAN, then there will be multiple carriers going T/U in the near future.

 

[goahead]

Just to let you all know, it isn't all rainbows and sunshine over here at SKW, either. Just an observation from my side, and I may be wrong, but we seem to be a little more flexible over here in helping give the company what it needs to keep from seeing too many lose their jobs.

However, lately, we have lost almost 400 people in SLC due to Delta taking over. We have lost numerous agents in the mountain west cities due to Comair taking over. Many people are being dispaced as the EMBs quickly fade out of the UAL system. Many of our DL livery aircraft have been turned into generics and thrown in the UAL system and are flying at-risk now. We have a constant rotation of 8 aircraft in c-check nowadays. We have the impending doom of what to do with the people/aircraft from the Midwest program. Everything may look hunky-dorey over here, but its not.

And not one of us at SKW feel any better about what's going on here when we have to read bad news such as yours.

This company does its best to look out for its employees, what we all need to remember is that we need to return that favor as well. We all need to show up, excede expectations, and it will make things easier on everyone. I fully believe that.

Well said, it's going to be tough for both sides until things get turned around, if they ever do..........

 

[Brasilia Flyer]

Then quit...

+1

I understand your frustration, but sinking the ship isn't the answer.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Delta sold ASA

Only fools who put their company in danger of bankruptcy !

 

[JustaNumber]

United is probably going to be liquidated within the year.

With the current political climate, "Bailout" is the name of the game. United is "too big to fail"; there are too many politicians with too many special interests to allow United to disappear. Expect it to continue to limp along indefinitely, dragging the rest of the industry with it.

 

[ugasucks]

Whipsaw 101 is what the upper mgmt at Skywest is doing, and they love it.

 

[sunlitpath]

We will survive this mess, just ride it out for a year. I think mainline may fare worse in the coming months...

 

[Data]

With the current political climate, "Bailout" is the name of the game. United is "too big to fail"; there are too many politicians with too many special interests to allow United to disappear. Expect it to continue to limp along indefinitely, dragging the rest of the industry with it.

United = Chicago = Corrupt Politicians = Skywest is ok!

 

[sweptback]

How do you propose that ASA simply "acquire more flying"? Do you really believe they haven't been trying? How would you "acquire more flying"?

There is flying being done in ATL by SkyWest that ASA could do. We don't even need their airplanes, we have plenty of spares.

 

[buscap]

Just to let you all know, it isn't all rainbows and sunshine over here at SKW, either. Just an observation from my side, and I may be wrong, but we seem to be a little more flexible over here in helping give the company what it needs to keep from seeing too many lose their jobs.

However, lately, we have lost almost 400 people in SLC due to Delta taking over. We have lost numerous agents in the mountain west cities due to Comair taking over. Many people are being dispaced as the EMBs quickly fade out of the UAL system. Many of our DL livery aircraft have been turned into generics and thrown in the UAL system and are flying at-risk now. We have a constant rotation of 8 aircraft in c-check nowadays. We have the impending doom of what to do with the people/aircraft from the Midwest program. Everything may look hunky-dorey over here, but its not.

And not one of us at SKW feel any better about what's going on here when we have to read bad news such as yours.

This company does its best to look out for its employees, what we all need to remember is that we need to return that favor as well. We all need to show up, excede expectations, and it will make things easier on everyone. I fully believe that.

I do not agree.

As long as Skywest airlines continues to fly 900s into ATL, under a certificate originally put together by ASA pilots, and does not have pilots on the street...then it is all sunshine and rainbows over there.

And it sucks more here. But it is our choice. We are being punished for having a union while you are rewarded for not having a union.

But of course we are also part of the only organization which successfully advocates for pilots and airline safety on the world stage. We are part of an organization which has raised the quality of life and standard of living throughout the industry's entire history.

And it is that very organization to which the pilots of Skywest airlines owe their level of pay and quality of life. That very organization which the pilots of skywest airlines have refused to support, while still benefitting from its efforts. Efforts, paid for by the cash and sweat of unionized pilots across the country.

An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got.

Thanks again, you free-riding bunch of gutless shortsighted idiots.

 

[Tarzan]

Whipsaw 101 is what the upper mgmt at Skywest is doing, and they love it.

The only folks that being whipsawed are EV pilots. (Even then, I don't see much of it.) Impossible to do with the OO pilots. They are "at Will."

 

[JumpersAway]

We will survive this mess, just ride it out for a year. I think mainline may fare worse in the coming months...

Yea- I'm thinking you're right. It's easy to get irritated and get fired up over it, but in the end, we've got it alright. Most of the other airlines have furloughed far more than we have- or will, I feel.

Bottom line is we've got to keep our performance up in order to get the folks on the street back. It's not a guarantee, but it's a better shot than shutting the place down in a hissy fit.

However, I would like to hear some straight talk on why ASA wasn't good enough for Salt Lake, but how SkyWest is good enough for Atlanta, on what seems to be a growing basis.

Unfortunately, I am hearing that Delta is eyeing close to 2000 furloughs- hope this isn't true. Frankly, it's a mess no one needs, especially given that Delta is the most likely candidate for hiring and our source of attrition. On a side note- it may actually drive the Mesaba and Compass cost structures up enough to help us attain our 80% lock in with Delta. Who knows what's going to happen, but so far, most of us seem to be weathering the storm, for now....................

 

[Andy Neill]

Thanks again, you free-riding bunch of gutless shortsighted idiots.

Can't you just feel the love?

 

[Speedtape]

Delta sold ASA

Dang! I guess there is one exception!

Why? They had to survive. Had they not sold ASA, they would not have had the cash to deposit in escrow to meet the conditions dictated by the Credit Card Companies to allow the continued credit card transactions of selling tickets. No escrow--No revenue--No Cash Flow--No Chaper 11--No Future! In addition, part of the money from the sale was necessary for Mainline to be able to survive and enter into and then exit bankruptcy. Otherwise--there would be no Delta, no ASA, no Skywest, and no surviving Cash Cow, had Chapter 11 not been successful.

Corrected statement: Only a fool would sell a Cash Cow, except to protect a greater financial interest and to survive bankruptcy.

 

[Speedtape]

Can't you just feel the love?

Sorry for one pilot's expression. He is entitled to his opinion.

However, not everyone feels that way. We can only benefit each other, as pilot groups, if we keep the respect and communications open. Both pilot groups have been able to improve our individual work rules by leveraging off each other. We have more in common, than we have differences. Peace, Out!

 

[buscap]

Sorry for one pilot's expression. He is entitled to his opinion.

However, not everyone feels that way. We can only benefit each other, as pilot groups, if we keep the respect and communications open. Both pilot groups have been able to improve our individual work rules by leveraging off each other. We have more in common, than we have differences. Peace, Out!

Hey Speedtape!!!

Let me know how you feel when our planes start to go away, while Skywest Inc. somehow finds more flying for Skywest Airlines.

And the only improvements leverage off the two groups so far have been improvements for the OO folks, after our contract was hammered out.

Quit sucking up to those goons. They don't want a union, and are very happy to reap the benefits. When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position. At this point I have more respect for the pilots at MESA.

That is sad.

 

[JoeMerchant]

There is flying being done in ATL by SkyWest that ASA could do. We don't even need their airplanes, we have plenty of spares.

What flying is that? Specifics....Do you actually believe Skywest/ASA is purposely losing flying and trying to get more?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I do not agree.

As long as Skywest airlines continues to fly 900s into ATL, under a certificate originally put together by ASA pilots, and does not have pilots on the street...then it is all sunshine and rainbows over there.

And it sucks more here. But it is our choice. We are being punished for having a union while you are rewarded for not having a union.

But of course we are also part of the only organization which successfully advocates for pilots and airline safety on the world stage. We are part of an organization which has raised the quality of life and standard of living throughout the industry's entire history.

And it is that very organization to which the pilots of Skywest airlines owe their level of pay and quality of life. That very organization which the pilots of skywest airlines have refused to support, while still benefitting from its efforts. Efforts, paid for by the cash and sweat of unionized pilots across the country.

An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got.

Thanks again, you free-riding bunch of gutless shortsighted idiots.

Another ALPA koolaid drinking idiot...Praise ALPA!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey Speedtape!!!

Let me know how you feel when our planes start to go away, while Skywest Inc. somehow finds more flying for Skywest Airlines.

And the only improvements leverage off the two groups so far have been improvements for the OO folks, after our contract was hammered out.

Quit sucking up to those goons. They don't want a union, and are very happy to reap the benefits. When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position. At this point I have more respect for the pilots at MESA.

That is sad.

Quit sucking up to a failed union....Many of us here don't want ALPA.....Mesa has done more to bring down pay and workrules than Skywest.....Put down the ALPA crack pipe Man!

 

[buscap]

Joe,

You fail to RTFP (Read The Freakin Post).

I said "When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position."

and "An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got."

ALPA is simply the lesser of evils to me.

Those idiots should at least join the International butt-kissers guild.

You and I both know where their payscale and QOL would be if the rest of us and our predecessors weren't in a union.

And just how are we ever gonna get that single branded flying crap, without a union?

Is ALPA perfect? FOOOOKKKK no! But that changes nothing about my comments on Skywest pilots.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

You fail to RTFP (Read The Freakin Post).

I said "When they get a union, ALPA or otherwise, then I will have some respect for their position."

and "An imperfect, foooked-up, political and petty union, which is the best we've got."

ALPA is simply the lesser of evils to me.

Those idiots should at least join the International butt-kissers guild.

You and I both know where their payscale and QOL would be if the rest of us and our predecessors weren't in a union.

And just how are we ever gonna get that single branded flying crap, without a union?

Is ALPA perfect? FOOOOKKKK no! But that changes nothing about my comments on Skywest pilots.

They have no reason to join ALPA....They are doing what every other pilot group does, ALPA or not....They are looking out for what is best for them!

It's time we did the same....ALPA is making it harder to join forces with the Skywest pilots....It's time to quit believing in a failed organization!

I read the post....I don't support organizations simply because "they are the best we have"....I voted Libertarian in the last election because I am tired of the Republicans....I'm done supporting the lessor of two evils....