ASA Bad news is out.

[sweptback]

Hardly enough to make up for the furloughs.

I know us flying in ATL and CVG causes heartburn for some guys at ASA, but the argument that if ASA was doing the flying instead of OO would have prevented the furloughs isn't holding.

22 flights a day is 2% of our max flights per day in the summer. 2% of our pilot group is approximately 40. We furloughed 136 total.

And, for JoeMerchant, you forget that the 900s coming here in 2006 were in exchange for the 12 or so 700s we flew out of SLC that were to be transferred. So, either way we lost, at least we got a good contract.

 

[WayBack]

Like I asked Joe, what would their pay and QOL be without the bar being raised at the union carriers over the years?

You're kidding right? It's the ALPO carrier that have been taking pay cut after pay cut. Then you have Gems like Mesa who keep the bar lowered.....You know, that other ALPA carrier.

SKW got a pay raise this year. Which other regional did?

 

[sweptback]

SKW got a pay raise this year. Which other regional did?

Are you seriously joking? ASA got a pay raise in 11/07 and 11/08, and we are due for one in 11/09, and 11/10. Also, we got a per diem raise in 5/09.

SkyWest only got a pay raise because ASA got one. Had they not, they would be about 10% behind ASA pay.

 

[WayBack]

Are you seriously joking? ASA got a pay raise in 11/07 and 11/08, and we are due for one in 11/09, and 11/10. Also, we got a per diem raise in 5/09.

SkyWest only got a pay raise because ASA got one. Had they not, they would be about 10% behind ASA pay.

You consider that a pay raise? They've treated you like crap for the last 5 years, paid you peanuts. Finally dangling a carrot infront of your face, the pilot group was so desperate for anything, that they signed the contract.

 

[Nevets]

You consider that a pay raise? They've treated you like crap for the last 5 years, paid you peanuts. Finally dangling a carrot infront of your face, the pilot group was so desperate for anything, that they signed the contract.

Who treated them like crap? Curious, what pay raises have the 120 pilots received in the last three years or so? In any case, what you described is the SKW votes.

 

[sweptback]

You consider that a pay raise? They've treated you like crap for the last 5 years, paid you peanuts. Finally dangling a carrot infront of your face, the pilot group was so desperate for anything, that they signed the contract.

Who do you work for, again?

 

[WayBack]

Who do you work for, again?

No longer the airlines. Moved onto better pastures.

 

[sweptback]

No longer the airlines. Moved onto better pastures.

So you don't have a dog in the fight. Got it.

 

[WayBack]

So you don't have a dog in the fight. Got it.

Nope, just chiming in to remind everyone, ALPA SUCKS!

 

[Erlanger]

Are you seriously joking? ASA got a pay raise in 11/07 and 11/08, and we are due for one in 11/09, and 11/10. Also, we got a per diem raise in 5/09.

SkyWest only got a pay raise because ASA got one. Had they not, they would be about 10% behind ASA pay.

You need to check your facts and dates cause Skywest pilots got a raise just before the ASA pilots got one. The ASA MEC was stalling, probably to see what the Skywest pilots were going to get and figuring they wouldnt do much better decided to take what Skywest, Inc offered them. That's a fact, Jack!

 

[Speedtape]

You need to check your facts and dates cause Skywest pilots got a raise just before the ASA pilots got one. The ASA MEC was stalling, probably to see what the Skywest pilots were going to get and figuring they wouldnt do much better decided to take what Skywest, Inc offered them. That's a fact, Jack!

Who gave you a raise? It was the same MGMT team, who at the point, knew where the pay rates were going to be, and whipped the saw. Honestly, I am not certain of the timing, but if they gave the rates to you first, it was because they knew where the rates at ASA were going to be and wanted to be YOUR hero.

What was the pay rate on your 700/900 before? I am not trying to smack you with Union versus Non-Union rhetoric, but if you think for one minute that what your MGMT gives you is not dependent on what other Union carriers pay, then our debate is useless.

By the way, no one really thinks that Skywest pilots will ever be Union. As long as you can get the milk free, why buy the cow? The Flight Attendants at Mainline have been working the "threat of a Union" scheme for years with great success. I am not so sure that some of the supposed "ALPA advocates" at your company have not used the drives to leverage your pay and work rules. Why buy the cow?

 

[buscap]

Like I said, freeloaders.

 

[10nCLR]

Simple Question: Where would ASA be now if Delta still held the reigns?



Simple Answer: _________________________

 

[wmuflyguy]

In one of the threads where we were talking about all of the recent RAH acquisitions, someone mentioned Skywest buying UAL (or enough of it to effect policy there).

Buying UAL and replacing a big chunk of their domestic flying with Skywest/ASA RJs would be a pathway toward 'acquire more flying'.

Then again, UAL is toxic enough that I don't expect Skywest's shrewd investors to want to have anything to do with it. Eventually though, they'll have to consider that taking no action at all will probably result in the destruction of Skywest's biggest customer.

Which has been proven to not be a winning strategy. Not to mention taking higher paying jobs and making them lower paying jobs.

 

[buscap]

Simple Question: Where would ASA be now if Delta still held the reigns?



Simple Answer: _________________________

Whereas my question pertains to the freeloading nature of Skywest pilots, and your question pertains to management actions...answer mine first!!!!

NANNER NANNER BOO BOO!!!

 

[johnpeace]

Which has been proven to not be a winning strategy. Not to mention taking higher paying jobs and making them lower paying jobs.

I'd rather have a lower paying job for a company that isn't being liquidated than a higher paying job with a company that can't survive the next $4 increase in the barrel price of oil.

That's just me though...YMMV.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I'd rather have a lower paying job for a company that isn't being liquidated than a higher paying job with a company that can't survive the next $4 increase in the barrel price of oil.

That's just me though...YMMV.

Just disregard the first part of my post why don't you.....The losing strategy of replacing all domestic flying with CRJ's and ERJ's as they have been proven to be money losers (especially if oil goes up).

Who do you think is going to pay you to fly those CRJ's? Oh...thats right that same company that can't survive the next 4 dollar increase in gas (Since they are paying for your gas....there is a reason why companies can't dump RJ's fast enough). So if they liquidate, who is going to pay for your company to fly that jet? No one, and well no flying, no pilots.

 

[johnpeace]

Who do you think is going to pay you to fly those CRJ's? Oh...thats right that same company that can't survive the next 4 dollar increase in gas (Since they are paying for your gas....there is a reason why companies can't dump RJ's fast enough). So if they liquidate, who is going to pay for your company to fly that jet? No one, and well no flying, no pilots.

I don't know that it's been 'proven' to be a losing strategy.

It's a lot cheaper to run a CRJ900 from ATL-ABQ than it is a MD80.

Anyway, I expect 'RJs' will be getting bigger in the next 3-5 years or so.

 

[Superpilot92]

I don't know that it's been 'proven' to be a losing strategy.

It's a lot cheaper to run a CRJ900 from ATL-ABQ than it is a MD80.

Anyway, I expect 'RJs' will be getting bigger in the next 3-5 years or so.

Feel free to back up your statement with factual data, thanks.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I don't know that it's been 'proven' to be a losing strategy.

It's a lot cheaper to run a CRJ900 from ATL-ABQ than it is a MD80.

Anyway, I expect 'RJs' will be getting bigger in the next 3-5 years or so.

Independence Air comes to mind and the majors retreat from it seems to provide some evidence,

God I hope RJ's don't get bigger, lets hope they get smaller and they are flown by the company whose name they bear. Better paying jobs for all

As for the cheapness of operating an MD-80 as opposed to a 76 seat CRJ. Depends what your looking at. Not if you compare CASM...total cost, sure. Then again you need to make two trips to carry what one md-80 does. They are running 2 757's and 1 md-80 out of atl to abq...so your point is moot.