AA may not merge with anyone?

[100 c.i.]

I say bring the mergers on. Without a merger I'll be on the street for another 3 years, and sitting in a crashpad on reserve for another 3 years with no career expections. Nother to loose! Besides I,ll have a better chance to fly with NonNatives.

 

[XTW]

OK. One more time. TWA was NOT in the "midst" of its third bankruptcy. The bankruptcy was a pre-packaged arrangement designed to allow AA to acquire the assets without having to deal with pesky "contracts" that AA did'nt want to assume. The whole arrangement was planned out months in advance, and TWA used its cash on hand to pay down debt prior to the acquisition unneccessarily. It also gave AA the chapter 1113 hammer that was later used against the rest of the industrys pilots.
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Please don't confuse this pissing contest with facts.


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[SlipperyPete]

TWAers and Renoers what you think about forming an alpa alliance with doh for us and a staple (Ka-Klunk) for the nAAtives

You funny guy! A "TWAers" alliance with ALPA. HA HA HA. That's a good one!

 

[brainhurts]

Can the NWA name be saved and be exclusively used on pacific routes by American? In other words, AMR buys NWA and keeps the NWA name on a small company dedicated to pacific ops? Even keep the planes painted in AMR colors with that little sign in small print: Operated by NWA.
I could (sadly) see this being done.

 

[aa73]

Hello Lucky,
AA-(1973) stands for his birthdate I am sure. A true aahole punk and poster child of the APA. He was in high school dreaming of being a pilot when his TWA counterparts were flying the world (on property). APA logic and morals made him senior in our merger and he displaced captains. Lets hope NWA leads the dance and you can right a wrong.
Mach8

Hello, Mach8,

Yes, I was born in 1973. Are you in love with me? You really are interested in my personal life!

Takes an a-hole to know an a-hole, loser.

P.S. You were most definitely *NOT* on AA property in the late 80s. Back on your medication, boy.

73

 

[aa73]

Sorry. What I meant to say was AMR's attitude is going to stunt its potential. AMR is either going to be small as a result of not merging or if AMR does merge it will need to work at being "fair and equitable" in the merge in order to get the benefit of the merge.

AA73 and others like him need to change their attitudes or their going to hurt AMR's future.

People run airlines. It is a service industry. If the people can not get along, the airline does not work regardless of the route network, type of aircraft, money in the bank, etc.

OK, lucky, what attitude do you suggest I change? I'm one of the very few AA pilots who do NOT support a staple in any merger/acquisition. AAflyer is another. I've mentioned this many times on this board. Unless I'm dealing with psycho-freak loser Mach8, I've been very specific in letting everyone know my true stance with any future deals - NO STAPLING. So if you think attitudes need to change, you need to refer to most other AA pilots who do support a staple - not me.

 

[stwjet]

What does APA do if it does not staple in the next merger??? Play in court for the next 50 years over DFR issues... APA and AA have laid the foundation for all mergers in the future... How unfortuneate it is..... Not sure Aviation 101 mentioned anything like that for the Boys in the suits.
Cheers

 

[aa73]

What does APA do if it does not staple in the next merger??? Play in court for the next 50 years over DFR issues... APA and AA have laid the foundation for all mergers in the future... How unfortuneate it is..... Not sure Aviation 101 mentioned anything like that for the Boys in the suits.
Cheers

I agree 100%. However, I must point out that APA/AA did not lay the foundation of stapling - SWA did with Morris in 1994. Our first "stapler" deal was with Reno in 1998. That said, though, I'll never agree that stapling is fair.

 

[G4G5]

And ALPA established the "fair" integration of a potentially bankrupt carrier, when they came up with the Delta/Pan Am integration. Which ironically is exactly what the APA did with TWA, yet people go ballistic on the APA.

The APA is not smart enough to come up this this on their own. They looked at what ALPA had already come up and with what the courts had already accepted and then copied it. If their is any NWA or Delta asset purchases I would expect the very same integration.

 

[John Galt]

Crap....I just ran out of popcorn.

 

[Vne]

73

NO STAPLING.

Do you post on C&R with your real name and sing the praises of your position? Did you oppose the latest APA resolution? Are you the lone voice in the wilderness?
Its easy to oppose after the fact. Your association is clear where they stand. IMO Its(sic APA resolution regarding future acquisitions) a detriment to the future of the profession.

 

[Draginass]

An AA/NWA merger (a "true" merger) would be an integration nightmare. I think Arpey and the dunces in Centerport have finally come to realize that. AA's not in great shape itself, and NWA is even much worse with employee relations in the toilet and a scab maintenance force.

One thing I think we all can agree upon . . . . the acquisition of TWA was not a good deal for anybody except greedy execs at the top. AA should have continued on its own and TWA should have been allowed to sink or swim on its own. TWA ALPA should have killed the deal by refusing to abrogate their contract merger language. Carty had no authority or power to promise anything when it came to integration language. He knew that and TWA ALPA knew it.

I was deadset against acquiring TWA then and now. It was a very expensive and high risk deal cut just when it was obvious that the economy was stumbling. As far as the champaign corks popping, I remember seeing a newsfilm of a gathering of TWA employees whooping and jumping up and down when the official announcement was made. Fear and apprehension filled the AA crew rooms. With regards to numbers, AA is basically back to where it was before the merger.

Like the TWA guys, I wish the entire deal had been not been done at all.

 

[AAflyer]

In the unlikely event of nwa buying aa as a mid seniortiy nwa pilot I will do everythinhg in my power(I am very active in the union)to get the twas and renos their doh and staple the nAAtives as that is their policy or at least fence them to the pos dc9-80s as the 76/77s are replaced with 787s. Fyi some/all jumpseats on nwa may not be available to nAAtives as a very disparageing cut and paste from the apa webboard was copied to our nwa board. AAers, while some capts want to deny all aas some are more rationale and will only deny the ones on the list but if anyone knows a LARRY MORALES 767FO MIA PLEASE TELL HIM/HER HE IS PESONA NON GRATA AT NWA AND TO SHOVE HIS KA-PLUNK SWINGLINE UP HIS ASS!

Why don't you do a little research on the staple of RENO. Reno started right after AA started furloughing in the early 90s, I won't even go into the history of what routes they flew, who controlled them and what martketing agreement had they had with AA, I will let you find that out on your own.

However DOH would have put them in roughly the same relative seniority, as we did not hire for many years in the mid 90s. They were placed on at the aquisition date, roughly 6 months after we started hiring, they now hold numerous positions ranginging from 777/FO down to the obvious S80 FO.

Why don't you work on the better treatment of the Republic pilots for a start. Lastly it puts you in a low class to call people out like you did. If you have an issue or would like a message relied to FO Morales why don't you PM one of the AA pilots on the board. However calling him out while post behind a screen name shows what you are made of.

I live in MSP and fly on NWA a lot, and have yet to run into guys like you, thank god.

AAflyer

By the way, I carry many NWA jumpseaters, luckily I will not stoop to your leve and start a jumpseat war. First Jet Blue pilots, and now AA pilots getting denied. Class act, punishing the many for what a handful said.

 

[glasspilot1]

Why don't you work on the better treatment of the Republic pilots for a start.

AAflyer, you better not go there. The NWA/Republic merger is an example of how a seniority integration SHOULD go. DOH and fences. That's how AA/TWA should have gone. So just don't go there.

 

[AAflyer]

AAflyer, you better not go there. The NWA/Republic merger is an example of how a seniority integration SHOULD go. DOH and fences. That's how AA/TWA should have gone. So just don't go there.

Then why so many pissed off people with that?

AA