AA may not merge with anyone?

[aa73]

AMR's options are extremely limited and it's manners are going to have to drastically improve if it expects to get a worthy date.

We don't want a date with anyone!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

aa73, that the attitude that going to make AMR the little carrier or part of another bad relationship because AMR doesn't know how to play nice.

Either way it bad for AMR. Maybe the TWA guys will finally feel better when they see AMR fall behind

 

[aa73]

aa73, that the attitude that going to make AMR the little carrier or part of another bad relationship because AMR doesn't know how to play nice.

Either way it bad for AMR. Maybe the TWA guys will finally feel better when they see AMR fall behind

OK, can you rephrase that in English please?

 

[AA717driver]

OK, can you rephrase that in English please?

LOL! Seriously, I think he means... Uh, well, I don't know what the hell he means. TC

P.S.--Find me a "good" merger in the last 20 years (other than Delta/Western) and maybe I'll be for an AA merger with someone else...

 

[Mach8Forest]

Hello Lucky,
AA-(1973) stands for his birthdate I am sure. A true aahole punk and poster child of the APA. He was in high school dreaming of being a pilot when his TWA counterparts were flying the world (on property). APA logic and morals made him senior in our merger and he displaced captains. Lets hope NWA leads the dance and you can right a wrong.
Mach8

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

In the unlikely event of nwa buying aa as a mid seniortiy nwa pilot I will do everythinhg in my power(I am very active in the union)to get the twas and renos their doh and staple the nAAtives as that is their policy or at least fence them to the pos dc9-80s as the 76/77s are replaced with 787s. Fyi some/all jumpseats on nwa may not be available to nAAtives as a very disparageing cut and paste from the apa webboard was copied to our nwa board. AAers, while some capts want to deny all aas some are more rationale and will only deny the ones on the list but if anyone knows a LARRY MORALES 767FO MIA PLEASE TELL HIM/HER HE IS PESONA NON GRATA AT NWA AND TO SHOVE HIS KA-PLUNK SWINGLINE UP HIS ASS!

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Get it through your thick bean buddy. TWA is dead. It was dead when it was acquired in the midst of its 3rd Bankruptcy.

OK. One more time. TWA was NOT in the "midst" of its third bankruptcy. The bankruptcy was a pre-packaged arrangement designed to allow AA to acquire the assets without having to deal with pesky "contracts" that AA did'nt want to assume. The whole arrangement was planned out months in advance, and TWA used its cash on hand to pay down debt prior to the acquisition unneccessarily. It also gave AA the chapter 1113 hammer that was later used against the rest of the industrys pilots.

If an AA/NW combo were to occur, I think there is a lot to the argument that NW would be the surviving certificate due to the fifth freedom rights. The NW pilots would have huge leverage, and plenty of support from the bottom of the list.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

TWAers and Renoers what you think about forming an alpa alliance with doh for us and a staple (Ka-Klunk) for the nAAtives in the event of NWA aquireing the nAAzi ******************************s?

 

[Mach8Forest]

I believe they are already on the property. It is called AICA (American Independent Cockpit Alliance).
Mach8

 

[luckytohaveajob]

aa73, that the attitude that going to make AMR the little carrier or part of another bad relationship because AMR doesn't know how to play nice.

Either way it bad for AMR. Maybe the TWA guys will finally feel better when they see AMR fall behind

Sorry. What I meant to say was AMR's attitude is going to stunt its potential. AMR is either going to be small as a result of not merging or if AMR does merge it will need to work at being "fair and equitable" in the merge in order to get the benefit of the merge.

AA73 and others like him need to change their attitudes or their going to hurt AMR's future.

People run airlines. It is a service industry. If the people can not get along, the airline does not work regardless of the route network, type of aircraft, money in the bank, etc.

 

[100 c.i.]

I say bring the mergers on. Without a merger I'll be on the street for another 3 years, and sitting in a crashpad on reserve for another 3 years with no career expections. Nother to loose! Besides I,ll have a better chance to fly with NonNatives.

 

[XTW]

OK. One more time. TWA was NOT in the "midst" of its third bankruptcy. The bankruptcy was a pre-packaged arrangement designed to allow AA to acquire the assets without having to deal with pesky "contracts" that AA did'nt want to assume. The whole arrangement was planned out months in advance, and TWA used its cash on hand to pay down debt prior to the acquisition unneccessarily. It also gave AA the chapter 1113 hammer that was later used against the rest of the industrys pilots.
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Please don't confuse this pissing contest with facts.


X

 

[SlipperyPete]

TWAers and Renoers what you think about forming an alpa alliance with doh for us and a staple (Ka-Klunk) for the nAAtives

You funny guy! A "TWAers" alliance with ALPA. HA HA HA. That's a good one!

 

[brainhurts]

Can the NWA name be saved and be exclusively used on pacific routes by American? In other words, AMR buys NWA and keeps the NWA name on a small company dedicated to pacific ops? Even keep the planes painted in AMR colors with that little sign in small print: Operated by NWA.
I could (sadly) see this being done.

 

[aa73]

Hello Lucky,
AA-(1973) stands for his birthdate I am sure. A true aahole punk and poster child of the APA. He was in high school dreaming of being a pilot when his TWA counterparts were flying the world (on property). APA logic and morals made him senior in our merger and he displaced captains. Lets hope NWA leads the dance and you can right a wrong.
Mach8

Hello, Mach8,

Yes, I was born in 1973. Are you in love with me? You really are interested in my personal life!

Takes an a-hole to know an a-hole, loser.

P.S. You were most definitely *NOT* on AA property in the late 80s. Back on your medication, boy.

73

 

[aa73]

Sorry. What I meant to say was AMR's attitude is going to stunt its potential. AMR is either going to be small as a result of not merging or if AMR does merge it will need to work at being "fair and equitable" in the merge in order to get the benefit of the merge.

AA73 and others like him need to change their attitudes or their going to hurt AMR's future.

People run airlines. It is a service industry. If the people can not get along, the airline does not work regardless of the route network, type of aircraft, money in the bank, etc.

OK, lucky, what attitude do you suggest I change? I'm one of the very few AA pilots who do NOT support a staple in any merger/acquisition. AAflyer is another. I've mentioned this many times on this board. Unless I'm dealing with psycho-freak loser Mach8, I've been very specific in letting everyone know my true stance with any future deals - NO STAPLING. So if you think attitudes need to change, you need to refer to most other AA pilots who do support a staple - not me.

 

[stwjet]

What does APA do if it does not staple in the next merger??? Play in court for the next 50 years over DFR issues... APA and AA have laid the foundation for all mergers in the future... How unfortuneate it is..... Not sure Aviation 101 mentioned anything like that for the Boys in the suits.
Cheers

 

[aa73]

What does APA do if it does not staple in the next merger??? Play in court for the next 50 years over DFR issues... APA and AA have laid the foundation for all mergers in the future... How unfortuneate it is..... Not sure Aviation 101 mentioned anything like that for the Boys in the suits.
Cheers

I agree 100%. However, I must point out that APA/AA did not lay the foundation of stapling - SWA did with Morris in 1994. Our first "stapler" deal was with Reno in 1998. That said, though, I'll never agree that stapling is fair.

 

[G4G5]

And ALPA established the "fair" integration of a potentially bankrupt carrier, when they came up with the Delta/Pan Am integration. Which ironically is exactly what the APA did with TWA, yet people go ballistic on the APA.

The APA is not smart enough to come up this this on their own. They looked at what ALPA had already come up and with what the courts had already accepted and then copied it. If their is any NWA or Delta asset purchases I would expect the very same integration.

 

[John Galt]

Crap....I just ran out of popcorn.