AA may not merge with anyone?

[Mach8Forest]

Well I guess one of our little (still on the property because of his career expectations) 2000 hire asked the moderators to remove the last page of this thread because he got his feelings Hurt. feeling a little shame are we? Was I correct in assuming that you did not yet have your private license when we were hired in the late 80's and flying the world London, Lisbon, Paris and as in (ON PROPERTY)
Mach8

 

[dfwdavi8r]

Well I guess one of our little (still on the property because of his career expectations) 2000 hire asked the moderators to remove the last page of this thread because he got his feelings Hurt. feeling a little shame are we? Was I correct in assuming that you did not yet have your private license when we were hired in the late 80's and flying the world London, Lisbon, Paris and as in (ON PROPERTY)
Mach8

Get it through your thick bean buddy. TWA is dead. It was dead when it was acquired in the midst of its 3rd Bankruptcy.

I gave up 500+ numbers so your buddies could continue to have ANY "career expectations" at all. I think they got too much. We were both sacrificed. The Difference between you and thousands of us is that we have moved on to FDX, UPS, LUV, we are not looking back. We are not complaining about the TWA cancer that infected AA and cost us our jobs.

Everyone I know that was in your position left while they had a chance like rats from a sinking ship. There were 7 ex-TWA guys in my new hire class at AA. What did they know that you didn't? Maybe you just couldn't get a real job at a real airline and had to settle for TWA. That is usually the case or you would have moved on too.

When I left the Active Duty in the late 90's I didn't even consider interviewing at your beloved TWA. Know why? Because everyone but you saw the writing on the wall. Might as well have been interviewing at Braniff, Pan Am, Eastern. They were gone. Aviation History. Their Pilots moved on. Try it.

I'm not proud of what APA did in the integration. It was shameful and weak. They gave too much. They bent way over as soon as Kit Bond got involved. Your "rightful place" was at the bottom of the list or better yet on the Interview list. From my point of view, you got much better than what you deserved.

You're Welcome.

 

[Mach8Forest]

Well the ugly head of another AAhole surfaces. Did not apply anywhere else for your info as I loved TWA as many thousand others did. I hope all you NWA guys read this as AA could be in your future. Plan now as these weak and sorry aviators could be your dance partner. Maybe if NWA buys them you can then teach them to fly.
Mach8

 

[Big Slick]

Mach8,

You got screwed over royally, no doubt about it. I am sorry that things have been so hard on you. I personally feel that you TWA guys did get the shaft.

In the history of the airlines, many, many people have gotten f-ed over royally. Braniff, Eastern, Pan Am, People Express, etc. The Texas International / Continental guys got f-ed royally too back in the day. This business is brutal.

I am actually below TWA on the seniority list, so don't get mad at me. In fact, I've been furloughed over 5 years. Yes, it sucks royally but I have made peace with my situation in life. It could be worse, I could be 59 years old with no retirement. Those guys are screwed.

Placing all of the blame for what happened to you on AA, is not logical. Yes, you got stapled to the bottom, but it was not like the future of TWA was all that bright. When AA drove Braniff or People Express out of business, they didn't get anything from AA. I wonder if they all carried around a hatred for AA too. Being furloughed after being a captain sucks royally, but most people in this business have to start over a couple of times on a new seniority list. Instead of blaming AA for your situation, why don't you blame capitalism, a free market economy, fate, God or something else.

I hope you can find some sort of peace in your life. It will be better for your overall health. Also, I am looking forward to being recalled to AA. I really don't want someone with all of your anger ruining it for me.

If it was evil to buy TWA and staple the pilots, was it "evil" to put Braniff and People Express out of business? Is a free market economy where only the strong survive inherently evil? If you say yes, you should live in another country. Preferably one with a state-sponsored airline. They can be as lazy and inefficient as they want and never worry about losing their seniority. That system sure worked great in the former Soviet Union.

One last thing - my son has a classmate whose Dad is a soldier. He picks up his son every afternoon and has 3rd degree burns all over his body from an IED explosion. His hands are just stubs. Also, he has a totally hot looking wife, and I'm pretty sure his "equipment" is gone too. I'm sorry that 9/11 has screwed up your life, but it could be much worse. Instead of being bitter all the time, you should learn to count the blessings in your life.

 

[100 c.i.]

Get it through your thick bean buddy. TWA is dead. It was dead when it was acquired in the midst of its 3rd Bankruptcy.

I gave up 500+ numbers so your buddies could continue to have ANY "career expectations" at all. I think they got too much. We were both sacrificed. The Difference between you and thousands of us is that we have moved on to FDX, UPS, LUV, we are not looking back. We are not complaining about the TWA cancer that infected AA and cost us our jobs.

Everyone I know that was in your position left while they had a chance like rats from a sinking ship. There were 7 ex-TWA guys in my new hire class at AA. What did they know that you didn't? Maybe you just couldn't get a real job at a real airline and had to settle for TWA. That is usually the case or you would have moved on too.

When I left the Active Duty in the late 90's I didn't even consider interviewing at your beloved TWA. Know why? Because everyone but you saw the writing on the wall. Might as well have been interviewing at Braniff, Pan Am, Eastern. They were gone. Aviation History. Their Pilots moved on. Try it.

I'm not proud of what APA did in the integration. It was shameful and weak. They gave too much. They bent way over as soon as Kit Bond got involved. Your "rightful place" was at the bottom of the list or better yet on the Interview list. From my point of view, you got much better than what you deserved.

You're Welcome.

Wow, I cant wait to return, so you REAL aviators can teach us how to fly.

 

[Neubyfly]

Get it through your thick bean buddy. TWA is dead. It was dead when it was acquired in the midst of its 3rd Bankruptcy.

I gave up 500+ numbers so your buddies could continue to have ANY "career expectations" at all. You're Welcome.

500...WOW! How many of those 500 are left? I would have to guess they have ALL reitired since then and while they were there they flew behind a fence that would not have effected you at all. So.... how were you harmed?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

As a mid seniority nwa pilot I am sure we will be treated the same way if aa is the survior, however how do you think it should go if nwa pulls a hp/us deal and is the aquirerer keeping the aa name? I fully expect that you will agree that a 8:1 ration for capts and a staple for the other 5000 naatives will be all you should realistically expect. Not that I think this would happen, as I fully expect our mgmt will do what makes them the most money. If they can find a way of seperating our Japan route authority from the nwa entity we will be be in the history books asap, you guys will be flying our 400s, 787s, getting to know camp nrt and yankees well, and most of us unemployed.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

AMR and NWA

How could AMR keep the Toyko hub of NWA if NWA was acquired?

 

[AA717driver]

How could AMR keep the Toyko hub of NWA if NWA was acquired?

Same way they kept all the rights TWA had or the LHR gates and slots Icahn sold them in the 90's.

Anything is possible if the check has the right number of zeros after the first number...TC

 

[aa73]

Well I guess one of our little (still on the property because of his career expectations) 2000 hire asked the moderators to remove the last page of this thread because he got his feelings Hurt. feeling a little shame are we? Was I correct in assuming that you did not yet have your private license when we were hired in the late 80's and flying the world London, Lisbon, Paris and as in (ON PROPERTY)
Mach8

Believe what ever makes you happy, sport. I didn't do squat to that thread.

Since you're so interested in my personal life - in the late 80s, I was in 10th grade happily drawing beautiful silverbirds that I hoped to fly one day. I can send you one if you like, I was quite the artist! Happy to say that I achieved my goal of flying for AA in early 2000, through my hard work and determination.

Unless you were hired at AA in the late 80s, I don't believe you were "on the property" quite yet - am I correct?

Happy holidays,
73

 

[pylut]

Was it disappointing when you reached your goal to realize what the character of the people and organization were truly like?

I know when I started dealing with the aa group it was eye opening. I was saddened by the character of the company and individuals.

 

[aa73]

Was it disappointing when you reached your goal to realize what the character of the people and organization were truly like?

I know when I started dealing with the aa group it was eye opening. I was saddened by the character of the company and individuals.

Out of all the airlines and companies I'd flown for, I was treated the best by far here. I'd have to say that it truly felt like winning the lottery. I was relatively young (26), joining an airline that was hiring 110/month, buying new aircraft with just about any variety of flying one could desire, and one heck of a nice paycheck after first year. Nah, can't say I was really dissapointed!

 

[AAflyer]

Was it disappointing when you reached your goal to realize what the character of the people and organization were truly like?

I know when I started dealing with the aa group it was eye opening. I was saddened by the character of the company and individuals.

Yes and no,

I read a thread on here about what Air Tran is pulling on its pilots. Pretty crappy. AA is really no different than so many other airlines, I have talked to friends at many of them and I hear similiar stories.

As for the pilot group, I have run into a few that I did not care for, however I ran into a select few at my past 5 airlines as well. AA is number 6.

However I have made some great friendships with AA and TWA guys. In fact for while a fellow captain and I bid the same lines in effort to fly with each other.

I usually only hear and observe the most obnoxious, however that seems to pretty common anywhere.

There are a lot more guys like AA73 here than the "not so kind ones" you have run into. However with comments like Mach8s, even the nice ones after awhile will show their teeth and spit back.

Regards,

AAflyer

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Same way they kept all the rights TWA had or the LHR gates and slots Icahn sold them in the 90's.

Anything is possible if the check has the right number of zeros after the first number...TC

Yea, but can the right number of zeros transfer the Tokyo Pacific rights granted by the Japanese after WWII to another named carrier? NWA and UAL have a deal no one else has, is it transferable?

 

[Fly4hire]

Yea, but can the right number of zeros transfer the Tokyo Pacific rights granted by the Japanese after WWII to another named carrier? NWA and UAL have a deal no one else has, is it transferable?

There has been discussion that the fifth freedom rights are moot with the advent of longer range acft that can bypass NRT.

That's not the point - fifth freedom is cabotage. It's NRT Asia interport flying to beach destinations and beyond that should be done by Japanese airlines. The Japanese hate it, and it is tied to NWA by law, not to anyone else. Remember about 7 years ago when all the other carriers tried to get it killed because they couldn't do it?

Yes, another corporation could get our routes to Asia, but not the coveted fifth freedom rights, which is a big part of the revenue of NWA's Asia network. NWA has 5 757's based in NRT dedicated to this flying, not to mention the 747-400's from Conus that are through flights to other parts of Asia.

My prediction of whomever merges/aquires OR is aquired by NWA, the corporate control will be called NWA.

 

[Mach8Forest]

Believe what ever makes you happy, sport. I didn't do squat to that thread.

Since you're so interested in my personal life - in the late 80s, I was in 10th grade happily drawing beautiful silverbirds that I hoped to fly one day. I can send you one if you like, I was quite the artist! Happy to say that I achieved my goal of flying for AA in early 2000, through my hard work and determination.

Unless you were hired at AA in the late 80s, I don't believe you were "on the property" quite yet - am I correct?

Happy holidays,
73

Dont want to get into the facts with you as you would not understand. The Carib, the slots, the transcons and on and on. You are truly a punk and perfectly represent the silver spoon spoiled little brat APA poster child. The Hitler Youth as we call it.
Get ready NW pilots this is the mentality of the group in which you may dance with. Goodluck
Mach8

 

[aa73]

Dont want to get into the facts with you as you would not understand. The Carib, the slots, the transcons and on and on. You are truly a punk and perfectly represent the silver spoon spoiled little brat APA poster child. The Hitler Youth as we call it.
Get ready NW pilots this is the mentality of the group in which you may dance with. Goodluck
Mach8

Now how do you know I'm a punk? You haven't even seen my hairstyle, much less the kind of music I like. "Sophisticated Italian stallion" is more like it.

Sure is easy getting a rise out of you. All I gotta do is state some facts from childhood, mention my hire date at AA, and bombs away. Heck, my 3 year old is harder to provoke!

BTW, Hitler's Youth is Eagle, dumba$$. Get your facts straight.

73
Super handsome APA patented ladies man

 

[luckytohaveajob]

There has been discussion that the fifth freedom rights are moot with the advent of longer range acft that can bypass NRT.

That's not the point - fifth freedom is cabotage. It's NRT Asia interport flying to beach destinations and beyond that should be done by Japanese airlines. The Japanese hate it, and it is tied to NWA by law, not to anyone else. Remember about 7 years ago when all the other carriers tried to get it killed because they couldn't do it?

Yes, another corporation could get our routes to Asia, but not the coveted fifth freedom rights, which is a big part of the revenue of NWA's Asia network. NWA has 5 757's based in NRT dedicated to this flying, not to mention the 747-400's from Conus that are through flights to other parts of Asia.

My prediction of whomever merges/aquires OR is aquired by NWA, the corporate control will be called NWA.

It looks obvious that if AMR wants the Fifth Freedom Rights it is going to have to play ball with the NWA. AMR merge M.O. is going to have to change compared to its recent TWA past.

It will be interesting to see if AMR can step up to the plate and make the transition or become the little fish in the ocean with the big sharks (US/DAL, UAL/CAL, SWA).

AMR is at a turning point. Which way does it go?

 

[Fly4hire]

It looks obvious that if AMR wants the Fifth Freedom Rights it is going to have to play ball with the NWA. AMR merge M.O. is going to have to change compared to its recent TWA past.

Just because some partners are on the dance floor does not mean someone might not cut in and take someone elses partner. The talk of AMR/NWA is very premature, and the merger night is young......NWA is the prettiest gal on the dance floor, but her parents mortgaged her dowery....

 

[luckytohaveajob]

AMR's options are extremely limited and it's manners are going to have to drastically improve if it expects to get a worthy date.