AA may not merge with anyone?

[Vne]

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NO STAPLING.

Do you post on C&R with your real name and sing the praises of your position? Did you oppose the latest APA resolution? Are you the lone voice in the wilderness?
Its easy to oppose after the fact. Your association is clear where they stand. IMO Its(sic APA resolution regarding future acquisitions) a detriment to the future of the profession.

 

[Draginass]

An AA/NWA merger (a "true" merger) would be an integration nightmare. I think Arpey and the dunces in Centerport have finally come to realize that. AA's not in great shape itself, and NWA is even much worse with employee relations in the toilet and a scab maintenance force.

One thing I think we all can agree upon . . . . the acquisition of TWA was not a good deal for anybody except greedy execs at the top. AA should have continued on its own and TWA should have been allowed to sink or swim on its own. TWA ALPA should have killed the deal by refusing to abrogate their contract merger language. Carty had no authority or power to promise anything when it came to integration language. He knew that and TWA ALPA knew it.

I was deadset against acquiring TWA then and now. It was a very expensive and high risk deal cut just when it was obvious that the economy was stumbling. As far as the champaign corks popping, I remember seeing a newsfilm of a gathering of TWA employees whooping and jumping up and down when the official announcement was made. Fear and apprehension filled the AA crew rooms. With regards to numbers, AA is basically back to where it was before the merger.

Like the TWA guys, I wish the entire deal had been not been done at all.

 

[AAflyer]

In the unlikely event of nwa buying aa as a mid seniortiy nwa pilot I will do everythinhg in my power(I am very active in the union)to get the twas and renos their doh and staple the nAAtives as that is their policy or at least fence them to the pos dc9-80s as the 76/77s are replaced with 787s. Fyi some/all jumpseats on nwa may not be available to nAAtives as a very disparageing cut and paste from the apa webboard was copied to our nwa board. AAers, while some capts want to deny all aas some are more rationale and will only deny the ones on the list but if anyone knows a LARRY MORALES 767FO MIA PLEASE TELL HIM/HER HE IS PESONA NON GRATA AT NWA AND TO SHOVE HIS KA-PLUNK SWINGLINE UP HIS ASS!

Why don't you do a little research on the staple of RENO. Reno started right after AA started furloughing in the early 90s, I won't even go into the history of what routes they flew, who controlled them and what martketing agreement had they had with AA, I will let you find that out on your own.

However DOH would have put them in roughly the same relative seniority, as we did not hire for many years in the mid 90s. They were placed on at the aquisition date, roughly 6 months after we started hiring, they now hold numerous positions ranginging from 777/FO down to the obvious S80 FO.

Why don't you work on the better treatment of the Republic pilots for a start. Lastly it puts you in a low class to call people out like you did. If you have an issue or would like a message relied to FO Morales why don't you PM one of the AA pilots on the board. However calling him out while post behind a screen name shows what you are made of.

I live in MSP and fly on NWA a lot, and have yet to run into guys like you, thank god.

AAflyer

By the way, I carry many NWA jumpseaters, luckily I will not stoop to your leve and start a jumpseat war. First Jet Blue pilots, and now AA pilots getting denied. Class act, punishing the many for what a handful said.

 

[glasspilot1]

Why don't you work on the better treatment of the Republic pilots for a start.

AAflyer, you better not go there. The NWA/Republic merger is an example of how a seniority integration SHOULD go. DOH and fences. That's how AA/TWA should have gone. So just don't go there.

 

[AAflyer]

AAflyer, you better not go there. The NWA/Republic merger is an example of how a seniority integration SHOULD go. DOH and fences. That's how AA/TWA should have gone. So just don't go there.

Then why so many pissed off people with that?

AA

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

In the unlikely event of nwa buying aa as a mid seniortiy nwa pilot I will do everythinhg in my power(I am very active in the union)to get the twas and renos their doh and staple the nAAtives as that is their policy or at least fence them to the pos dc9-80s as the 76/77s are replaced with 787s. Fyi some/all jumpseats on nwa may not be available to nAAtives as a very disparageing cut and paste from the apa webboard was copied to our nwa board.

Cobraair75drvr,

I know how emotions can run high during the recent merger frenzy. Everyone is concerned about their jobs, retaining their seniority number, and placement. In AA’s history of mergers and acquisitions, there have been feathers and some staples, but it was totally depended on the terms of the deal, the pilot’s relative seniority, and career expectations.

There were many mistakes made in our Supp CC agreement since no one envisioned a 9/11 occurrence. It was made for a growing airline – not a shrinking one. Hopefully, we all will be a lot smarter in any future mergers.

An AA - NWA is still a long shot. It’s way too early to get both sides fired up over a couple of stupid statements made by private parties. Using each other’s jumpseat is a great deal to both sides. Trying to destroy that good deal will benefit no one and will have no influence on any potential seniority agreement. The only pilots hurt will be the ones trying to get to work.

The real career destroyer is Age 65. Age 65 only benefits the guys at the top. AA is recalling now, but that all stops if the retirement age is raised.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[aa73]

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Do you post on C&R with your real name and sing the praises of your position? Did you oppose the latest APA resolution? Are you the lone voice in the wilderness?
Its easy to oppose after the fact. Your association is clear where they stand. IMO Its(sic APA resolution regarding future acquisitions) a detriment to the future of the profession.

Yes, I absolutely post with my real name on C&R. And I just started a thread over there last week on this very subject. And I got absolutely railroaded with opposition.

That's why I mentioned earlier that AAflyer and I are a pretty rare specimen amongst the ranks.

Regarding future acquisitions: You folks must remember that AA/APA are not alone in pondering a full staple. Has it ever occured to you that if SWA buys someone out, the same exact thing happens? Heck, they may not even be offered a job at SWA! (reference Muse/TranStar in '86). Or if they are offered a job, how about a year's probation! (Morris.)

So if SWA buys anyone and imposes a full staple, are you guys gonna be giving them $hit, too?

 

[XTW]

Cobraair75drvr,


There were many mistakes made in our Supp CC agreement since no one envisioned a 9/11 occurrence. It was made for a growing airline – not a shrinking one. Hopefully, we all will be a lot smarter in any future mergers.

Actually, it does take into account a downturn. I will have to look to find the appropriate reference. I can't remember if it is in the transition agreement or in the preamble to Supp. CC.

X

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

Actually, it does take into account a downturn. I will have to look to find the appropriate reference. I can't remember if it is in the transition agreement or in the preamble to Supp. CC.

X

I know it does too. The only problem is that 99% of the thought went into a growing airline and the rest into a shrinking one.

The point I am trying to make is that it is way too early to start tearing into each other and having pilots kicked off each other’s jumpseats. We don’t even know if a deal is going through, yet there are some that are already going to battle stations.

Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and not ruin a good deal between our airlines.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[aa73]

Fyi some/all jumpseats on nwa may not be available to nAAtives as a very disparageing cut and paste from the apa webboard was copied to our nwa board.

In case you were wondering, this type of talk goes on all over private union boards during merger speculation. Remember the US/UAL deal when USAir guys were asking for their 747-400 manuals? All over the USAir ALPA board, UAL ALPA board, and the internet.

As previously mentioned, using the j/s as a weapon will only serve to destroy a perk EVERY airline pilot enjoys.