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AA may not merge with anyone?

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AAflyer said:
Jam

Thanks fro the response. After it was mentioned I dida search on the integration, could not find anything. If you have some info would you post, of please feel free to PM.

Regards,

AA
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What info are you asking for? NWA-Republic?

What I got from the whole merger here was that Roberts awarded both groups what they wanted and in essence screwed both sides. NWA(Red) got the wide body flying through quotas on seat bids and Republic(Green) got DOH. Depends who you talk to, the other side got it better. The Red side I think got a better deal. They got the higher paying seats. The Greens got screwed on the 757 quotas by Roberts since it assumed Republic did not have 757s when they actually did. As time went by on the 20 year fence, the Red side started feeling the pain of DOH. As the Green side upgraded to the WB seats they were at the top of the seniority thus bidding better scheds. The Roberts Award ended January 2006. Now it is all DOH. The 787 Dreamliner is scheduled to be here in 2008. The name was changed to The Greenliner, since it is probably going to be all senior "Green Book" CAs flying it. All this stuff does not affect me though. In my opinion, it was way too long. It was the cause of major internal pilot division. It cost the company a lot of money to implement. Just a bad deal. Mergers are a bad deal for employees.

I wanted to add that if any Red or Green guys here might want to add something to this, please do. Just a Blue Book here....
 
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JAM-BRO said:
What info are you asking for? NWA-Republic?

What I got from the whole merger here was that Roberts awarded both groups what they wanted and in essence screwed both sides. NWA(Red) got the wide body flying through quotas on seat bids and Republic(Green) got DOH. Depends who you talk to, the other side got it better. The Red side I think got a better deal. They got the higher paying seats. The Greens got screwed on the 757 quotas by Roberts since it assumed Republic did not have 757s when they actually did. As time went by on the 20 year fence, the Red side started feeling the pain of DOH. As the Green side upgraded to the WB seats they were at the top of the seniority thus bidding better scheds. The Roberts Award ended January 2006. Now it is all DOH. The 787 Dreamliner is scheduled to be here in 2008. The name was changed to The Greenliner, since it is probably going to be all senior "Green Book" CAs flying it. All this stuff does not affect me though. In my opinion, it was way too long. It was the cause of major internal pilot division. It cost the company a lot of money to implement. Just a bad deal. Mergers are a bad deal for employees.

I wanted to add that if any Red or Green guys here might want to add something to this, please do. Just a Blue Book here....
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That is what I was looking for, a little history.

Thanks,
AA
 
AA767AV8TOR said:
I know it does too. The only problem is that 99% of the thought went into a growing airline and the rest into a shrinking one.

The point I am trying to make is that it is way too early to start tearing into each other and having pilots kicked off each other’s jumpseats. We don’t even know if a deal is going through, yet there are some that are already going to battle stations.

Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and not ruin a good deal between our airlines.

AA767AV8TOR
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So let me ask, if AMR buys someone, can and will it affect Supplement CC to the detriment of the TWA pilots? I'd like to see the new merger document that APA/AMR create because if it creates harm to the TWA pilots I'm sure we'll cry foul.

You know, let AMR go after NWA...right now. Let's see exactly what ALPA National does....or doesn't.


stlflyguy
 
stlflyguy said:
You know, let AMR go after NWA...right now. Let's see exactly what ALPA National does....or doesn't.


stlflyguy
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ALPA would be stupid to go balls-to-the-wall for NWA. It might make us rich if they did, though...TC

P.S.--You could certainly make a case for NWA being FORCED into Ch.11, rather than the contrived Ch.11 TWA entered into shortly after the deal was announced.
 
stwjet said:
What does APA do if it does not staple in the next merger??? Play in court for the next 50 years over DFR issues... APA and AA have laid the foundation for all mergers in the future... How unfortuneate it is..... Not sure Aviation 101 mentioned anything like that for the Boys in the suits.
Cheers
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Any congressman that approves an AA merger with anyone is an A$$. AA management lied to congress under oath a thousand times over to get the last one approved. Big business being what it is though, they'd just grease the right Congressmen with more borrowed money to shorten their memories.

PIPE
 
We should change the title of this thread to.....

aa73 said:
I started a little too young... :blush:
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......."AA73 may not merge with any of those on the receiving end of his bra snapping."
 
aa73 said:
BTW, Hitler's Youth is Eagle, dumba$$. Get your facts straight.
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and that's pretty much TWA now, how ironic...........

also mach8 the STL flying wasn't given to us (Hitler Youth as you state), but rather to the TWA Youth (blue chicken American Connection). they even got 10 of our airplanes in the deal. i guess they could be called the "brown shirts" or something like that.
 
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CitationLover said:
and that's pretty much TWA now, how ironic...........

also mach8 the STL flying wasn't given to us (Hitler Youth as you state), but rather to the TWA Youth (blue chicken American Connection). they even got 10 of our airplanes in the deal. i guess they could be called the "brown shirts" or something like that.
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Most of the TWA'ers were not allowed to flowback. If you were TWA and furloughed before July 2003 (+/- ?) you were not allowed to flowback. We still paid full APA dues but were allowed to use that part of the contract.

I was a March 2003 furlough (Dec 1996 hire) and waz told I vill not flowbak to Eagle.
 
pkober said:
Most of the TWA'ers were not allowed to flowback. If you were TWA and furloughed before July 2003 (+/- ?) you were not allowed to flowback. We still paid full APA dues but were allowed to use that part of the contract.

I was a March 2003 furlough (Dec 1996 hire) and waz told I vill not flowbak to Eagle.
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everyone i fly with these days is TWA including the flight attendants.
 
I'm sure you do fly with TWA guys but there is a large number that were not allowed to flowback.
 
pkober said:
I'm sure you do fly with TWA guys but there is a large number that were not allowed to flowback.
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trust me they wish that they were more junior in pay. pb has complained about his high ca wages (all the twa guys are top of the scale).

latest rumor from the schoolhouse in dallas is a third smaller airline to join the malcontent amr family with 190's and staffed with furloughs. makes no sense to me, why not simply keep it at aa? probably schoolhouse bs.
 
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CitationLover said:
trust me they wish that they were more junior in pay. pb has complained about his high ca wages (all the twa guys are top of the scale).

latest rumor from the schoolhouse in dallas is a third smaller airline to join the malcontent amr family with 190's and staffed with furloughs. makes no sense to me, why not simply keep it at aa? probably schoolhouse bs.
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You have your facts wrong. Prove to me that the EVERY single TWA guy at Eagle is at the top of the Eagle payscale and I'll bill you the difference.

I'm at 12th year pay.

stlflyguy
 
You vill take vhat you gett unt you vill like it!!!
 
pkober said:
Most of the TWA'ers were not allowed to flowback. If you were TWA and furloughed before July 2003 (+/- ?) you were not allowed to flowback. We still paid full APA dues but were allowed to use that part of the contract.

I was a March 2003 furlough (Dec 1996 hire) and waz told I vill not flowbak to Eagle.
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Peppy,

If you were furloughed prior to May of 2003, you were denied the flowback. It was available to us as the result of the April '03 concessionary contract and the fact that we were now on the merged TWA/AA seniority list.

stlflyguy
 

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