Countdown to the CAL/UAL TA -- 45 days to go

[EWR_FO]

That was a lot of fruit.

Not to a guy who flew domestic 737 trips his whole career, THAT was a big part of the problem with all the a-holes who put that POS together.

 

[Fly2AK]

I won't trade ANYTHING for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

Amen brother! Without scope we have nothing. Hell even Bedford thinks he will be able to fly the C Series aircraft for mainline, a 149 pax regional. It is time to prove him and the other CEO's wrong and retake our scope protection!

 

[Skippy]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

 

[Jetjockey]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

There is a way to get rid of them..........................PARK THEM, just like the did the 737s!

 

[Shrek]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

I like this list for sure........
just add +50 seat scope to it

 

[Fly2AK]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

So do you think CAL guys should resign their scope because U guys got screwed in bankruptcy? I think that when the current contracts run out they are once again restricted and scoped out. In the mean time I think you have some great Ideas reduce the range to no flights beyond 1hr 20mins something like that.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Ya Exactly, When those contracts expire, so does any other pilots flying those planes. Period. I don't want the merger. If you want it so bad, pay for it.

 

[jonjuan]

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2010&month=10&day=04&p0=104

What's going to be in it:

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based on straight seniority, not title

-- CA IRO for CA, FO or CA IRO for FO; CA IRO if only one IRO needed

-- any sit time, scheduled or actual, greater than 90 minutes pays half time

How about also correcting the fact that a 20 y/o F/A, her 3 kids, 17 y/o boyfriend, 38 y/o Mom, and 2 cats ALL have non-rev priority ahead of a 35 y/o, college degreed, 12 year regional CA or MIL pilot (and family) who started new-hire training a week later after said F/A? Good luck finding a non-rev seat for you and your pilot family as loads quickly increase. Heck, no wonder F/As keep flying until 80. Their non- rev benes are pretty sweet compared to pilots given a 15 year head start on seniority.

 

[densoo]

27 days until 4 Oct

Have heard that the initial delay by CAL to look at the TPA was not a rejectjon of the TPA, but rather they didn't have people in place to even consider it. A temporary hiccup.

Also that the negotiations are proceeding without a great deal of resistance. Either means pilots are asking for too little, or management wants to get the deal done.

Find out in 27 days.

 

[pianoman]

My prediction is we won't have it done by then. That's just the deadline at which, if we aren't done, we apply to the NMB for mediation. The road may be long after that. (Willing to do it though)

 

[Fltlvls]

Sounds like a TA for a country club .How much $$ will it take to capture the RJ flying?. Start up cost, training,where are the a/c coming from etc....

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I can confirm that negotiations are proceeding at a fast pace. Fact: The company showed up with proposals and attys the first day. That doesn't happen very often actually it's quite rare until near the end of a cba.

 

[jonjuan]

I can confirm that negotiations are proceeding at a fast pace. Fact: The company showed up with proposals and attys the first day. That doesn't happen very often actually it's quite rare until near the end of a cba.

Were the company negotiators and attorney's wearing blue F.U. wristbands?

 

[DHPFLYN]

Is the company playing hardball? I noticed they announced new service to Aspen and just replaced a iah to lax flight with Skywest 70 seaters.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Is the company playing hardball? I noticed they announced new service to Aspen and just replaced a iah to lax flight with Skywest 70 seaters.

I wouldn't be suprised if they started their tatics soon. I'm curious what their counterproposal will be with scope. I've heard that if they return a ridiculous counter offer, we'll immediately seek mediation. We'll see.....

 

[Hvy]

The contentious items (pay & scope) haven't been addressed yet. Just wait.

FUPM

 

[General Lee]

Then enjoy the picket line. If you think for a second that you can get all that, well, good on ya. I read the original post to my NERD (Never Ever Really Delta) pilot wife and she was laughing by the end of it.

Tell your NERD wife that you guys actually have some leverage this time thanks to Wall St wanting this done, and oil is lower. When the DL/NWA joint contract was done, oil was still at $130 a barrel. Remind her of that please. Don't go low on your demands, this may be the last large amount of leverage you guys will have. Wall ST and management want this done in a clean manner inorder to get bonuses. Go for it!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SuperFLUF]

The contentious items (pay & scope) haven't been addressed yet. Just wait.

FUPM

JNC scope proposal was passed to mgmt a couple of weeks ago. As of Fri, two sections have yet to be passed but no word on what they are. (compensation is probably one of them as it had not been passed as of the update two weeks ago)

Should be interesting to see what mgmt turns back to us with scope.

 

[densoo]

Looks like it is slipping to mid-October.

"In my brief to you last week, I indicated that progress had slowed down and that management was having a difficult time coming to grips with the reality that this is neither a status quo nor concessionary contract. This week things got back on track and we reached an agreement in principle on the leaves of absence section. That said, it does not bode well for a timely resolution to the contract if we continue to stutter step our way through negotiations. Now that the shareholders have approved the merger, maybe management will reprioritize and place the successful completion of the negotiations higher on their list. Certainly, if negotiations continue at their current pace, when we evaluate the progress in mid October as set up in the Transition and Process Agreement, we will have much more road in front of us than behind." -- Union

 

[densoo]

"If there is no TA by October 12, then the parties agreed to apply for mediation by October 14, 2010. It is becoming clear that despite the Joint Negotiating Committee’s best efforts, the October 5 deadline will not be met."

Well, I guess there's not going to be a contract on October 4th.