Countdown to the CAL/UAL TA -- 45 days to go

[VGerect]

How about also correcting the fact that a 20 y/o F/A, her 3 kids, 17 y/o boyfriend, 38 y/o Mom, and 2 cats ALL have non-rev priority ahead of a 35 y/o, college degreed, 12 year regional CA or MIL pilot (and family) who started new-hire training a week later after said F/A? Good luck finding a non-rev seat for you and your pilot family as loads quickly increase. Heck, no wonder F/As keep flying until 80. Their non- rev benes are pretty sweet compared to pilots given a 15 year head start on seniority.

You need to get over yourself uke:

 

[Deerkiller]

How about also correcting the fact that a 20 y/o F/A, her 3 kids, 17 y/o boyfriend, 38 y/o Mom, and 2 cats ALL have non-rev priority ahead of a 35 y/o, college degreed, 12 year regional CA or MIL pilot (and family) who started new-hire training a week later after said F/A? Good luck finding a non-rev seat for you and your pilot family as loads quickly increase. Heck, no wonder F/As keep flying until 80. Their non- rev benes are pretty sweet compared to pilots given a 15 year head start on seniority.

It tweaks me more that at 25 y/o Chelsea Catering supervisor w/ a high school diploma will bump our most senior pilot.

That being said, I'll gladly take a lower pass status to ALL employees in return for a contract that pays me enough to buy full-fare tickets for my family.

 

[tie1on]

get ready for nothing to happen until next summer at the earliest..

 

[BID]

get ready for nothing to happen until next summer at the earliest..

oh ok, thanks. They do sell Viagra you know? ... sorry couldn't resist.


You don't know what the hell is going to happen. They are trying. What does surprise me is the backlash from many of the regional guys.

I thought ending outsourcing to underpaid pilots would be a good thing? I guess not, many are happy flying their, "replacement 737 aircraft." I understand you didn't allow scope relief, but you would think more would support the ending of it.

With regards to the contract, if management will just say YES, then October 5, no problem !

 

[Hvy]

JNC scope proposal was passed to mgmt a couple of weeks ago. As of Fri, two sections have yet to be passed but no word on what they are. (compensation is probably one of them as it had not been passed as of the update two weeks ago)

Should be interesting to see what mgmt turns back to us with scope.

As of Monday, pay rates have NOT been submitted. Minor differences in "banding" opinions.

 

[doh]

Sounds like a TA for a country club .How much $$ will it take to capture the RJ flying?. Start up cost, training,where are the a/c coming from etc....

I think I read somewhere that they will bring their flying back home as regional feed contracts expire. Mainline already financed a lot of these airplanes, so they are coming from United.

 

[whymeworry?]

You guys are smoking crack if you think this contract will get done by the end of this year. Management at both airlines are too myopic to realize the days of post-9/11 concessions are history.

They will drag this out until next summer. At that time, profits will be simply too huge and too glaring to hide and the NMB will remind them of that. Well start talking strike by that time and mgmt will capitulate in the 11th hour. In the end mgmt will regret their stall tactics because it will cost them a lot more.

 

[densoo]

"The JNC will then spend the week following the MEC and ALPA Board of Directors meetings to review this data in preparation for re-engagement with management later in October."

4 Oct, 12, Oct, now late Oct. Slip sliding away.

 

[mamba20]

I know I used to think we'd have something by the end of the summer, fall at the latest. I was blinded by looking at how well the DAL/NWA merger went. I forgot who our management team was. It behooves them to keep us under this POS for as long as possible. At this point I'd be surprised it we see something by the end of NEXT year. We all know that CALALPA is all talk. They won't hold managements feet to the fire. Never have, never will.

 

[Jetjockey]

I know I used to think we'd have something by the end of the summer, fall at the latest. I was blinded by looking at how well the DAL/NWA merger went. I forgot who our management team was. It behooves them to keep us under this POS for as long as possible. At this point I'd be surprised it we see something by the end of NEXT year. We all know that CALALPA is all talk. They won't hold managements feet to the fire. Never have, never will.

Never is a very long time. But I bet you've NEVER been wrong.