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[Mr.B]

The problem is that the UAL NC is stalling JCBA for a roundabout way to screw the CAL pilots. This has come from our own CALALPA. Maybe not in those words, but it's not hard to figure out. I've talked to people ON OUR OWN NC that say they're growing frustrated at the lack of effort from the UAL NC to resolve issues and move on. Take what you want from it. Working together? Whatever........

Waaaah... You want some whine with your cheese? You ain't heard shlt from anybody on the NC with any info. Let em do their jobs and quit your incessant whining!

 

[Flopgut]

Your correct the 747 pay issue has created a problem. I guess my point is I don't think the 747 should pay the same as the 777 and had we not merged our MEC would have taken the same stand they are taking today with respect to the 747 pay. If I put myself in their shoes I can see that they are in a lose lose situation. They can go for the pay raise and raise the accusations that have been brought here on good ole FI, or they can not go for the raise and look weak on a rather basic pay issue. Can't win for losing.

Why didn't UAL ALPA spell out this now-very-crucial issue of raising 747 pay above widebody in the Transition & Process Agreement? That would have been the time to signal this intention and what it might mean later for SLI. CAL ALPA did as much with the 737... Obviously UAL ALPA was pretty desperate and very much interested in seeing the merger locked up and getting GT gone. Let's not mince words guys, this 747 pay deal is a 570 stunt.

So now we can't get compensation done. GT is gone, the merger is set, all parties up to this point have been predictable and well behaved. UAL pilots need to call your reps and tell them to get to an agreement on this. Your going to have to tell Wendy and the rest of the 570s their going to be junior to the guys Lorenzo hired no matter what they try and pull. Tell them that's their penance for doing what they did to FAL. Who, by the way, will now also become their co-workers. Let's get this deal done and we'll all have a good deal.

BTW: Who on this thread is a 570?

 

[eaglesview]

Why didn't UAL ALPA spell out this now-very-crucial issue of raising 747 pay above widebody in the Transition & Process Agreement? That would have been the time to signal this intention and what it might mean later for SLI. CAL ALPA did as much with the 737... Obviously UAL ALPA was pretty desperate and very much interested in seeing the merger locked up and getting GT gone. Let's not mince words guys, this 747 pay deal is a 570 stunt.

So now we can't get compensation done. GT is gone, the merger is set, all parties up to this point have been predictable and well behaved. UAL pilots need to call your reps and tell them to get to an agreement on this. Your going to have to tell Wendy and the rest of the 570s their going to be junior to the guys Lorenzo hired no matter what they try and pull. Tell them that's their penance for doing what they did to FAL. Who, by the way, will now also become their co-workers. Let's get this deal done and we'll all have a good deal.

BTW: Who on this thread is a 570?

I know it's convenient and easy to group folks together but I doubt you could get 570 pilots to agree on anything. I really do not care if the 570 go junior to CO "Lorenzo era loyal company employees." They are old now and will go away anyway. So I'm with you DOH.

 

[Hvy]

I see. Your opinion ("not in those words") is like mine, counts for nothing. Do you think we don't hear things that get under our skin on the UAL side? Just relax you and I are not going to change the course of things to come.

I agree. Relax. Everyone needs to quit thinking "me..me...me." It's "us". "US" Try to remember that. Higher pay on the 747 benefits ALL of us in the long run.

 

[Flopgut]

I know it's convenient and easy to group folks together but I doubt you could get 570 pilots to agree on anything. I really do not care if the 570 go junior to CO "Lorenzo era loyal company employees." They are old now and will go away anyway. So I'm with you DOH.

Uh.... Ok. Let's suppose we agree (and we do, for the most part) Where does that leave us with the 747? The airplane is provisional at best, as a fleet. There aren't that many of them. I doubt we're going to buy any new ones. We could fight tooth and nail for a huge, separate payrate for it (to the detriment of the rest of our aircraft payrates) and mgt will just park the thing! We're better off leaving it with the rest of the widebodies and fighting for a large wage for more airplanes that we know we're going to have in the future. Come on, let's not play dumb. I'll agree in principle with you on DOH if you agree this 747 issue is just about the 570s and is a stunt?

 

[eaglesview]

Uh.... Ok. Let's suppose we agree (and we do, for the most part) Where does that leave us with the 747? The airplane is provisional at best, as a fleet. There aren't that many of them. I doubt we're going to buy any new ones. We could fight tooth and nail for a huge, separate payrate for it (to the detriment of the rest of our aircraft payrates) and mgt will just park the thing! We're better off leaving it with the rest of the widebodies and fighting for a large wage for more airplanes that we know we're going to have in the future. Come on, let's not play dumb. I'll agree in principle with you on DOH if you agree this 747 issue is just about the 570s and is a stunt?

I don't know nor would have know way of knowing wether or not 570 pilots got together and organized a stunt. I doubt they are that organized. However I'm on board with DOH and I"ll go on to say I don't like the idea of fences. (there may be a few CO pilots that need seat protection, I'm ok with that. In the end my opinion won't count.

 

[Flopgut]

I don't know nor would have know way of knowing wether or not 570 pilots got together and organized a stunt. I doubt they are that organized. However I'm on board with DOH and I"ll go on to say I don't like the idea of fences. (there may be a few CO pilots that need seat protection, I'm ok with that. In the end my opinion won't count.

K. This is why we can't move forward. We're not that stupid over here at CAL so you can drop the act. This isn't going to play with the arbitrator either. It's up to you, we can wait a long time.....

 

[BID]

I don't know nor would have know way of knowing wether or not 570 pilots got together and organized a stunt. I doubt they are that organized. However I'm on board with DOH and I"ll go on to say I don't like the idea of fences. (there may be a few CO pilots that need seat protection, I'm ok with that. In the end my opinion won't count.

thank God you are not an arbitrator !!!

 

[whatitdoing?]

DOH? That's funny......

 

[whatitdoing?]

Waaaah... You want some whine with your cheese? You ain't heard shlt from anybody on the NC with any info. Let em do their jobs and quit your incessant whining!

Dude, ask around. It's pretty common knowledge if you're on the CAL side. I do talk to people on the NC. There's some things they can talk about, while there's other things they can't. One frequent comment it their frustration at the UAL side for either stalling or being unreasonable. Believe what you want. Personally, I could give a s*** about your opinion.

 

[eaglesview]

So now we can't get compensation done. GT is gone, the merger is set, all parties up to this point have been predictable and well behaved. UAL pilots need to call your reps and tell them to get to an agreement on this. Your going to have to tell Wendy and the rest of the 570s their going to be junior to the guys Lorenzo hired no matter what they try and pull. Tell them that's their penance for doing what they did to FAL. Who, by the way, will now also become their co-workers. Let's get this deal done and we'll all have a good deal.

BTW: Who on this thread is a 570?

Your the one that alluded to DOH not me. I just agreed.

 

[Flopgut]

Your the one that alluded to DOH not me. I just agreed.

I'm alluding to DOH in the context of ALPA merger policy. It's one of the many important parts. It's written into the mutually agreed upon Transition and Process Agreement, so that's how the SLI is going to go down no matter what.

 

[whatitdoing?]

I'm alluding to DOH in the context of ALPA merger policy. It's one of the many important parts. It's written into the mutually agreed upon Transition and Process Agreement, so that's how the SLI is going to go down no matter what.

It's just one part. To say it's straight DOH, you're dreaming.

 

[eaglesview]

Dude, ask around. It's pretty common knowledge if you're on the CAL side. I do talk to people on the NC. There's some things they can talk about, while there's other things they can't. One frequent comment it their frustration at the UAL side for either stalling or being unreasonable. Believe what you want. Personally, I could give a s*** about your opinion.

You are aware this is an annonymous web board right?? Folks can say what ever they want without any reprocussions.

 

[densoo]

You are aware this is an annonymous web board right?? Folks can say what ever they want without any reprocussions.

Nothing is anonymous on the web, and everything is permanent.