Countdown to the CAL/UAL TA -- 45 days to go

[Raoul Duke]

I will trade scope up to 76 seats in exchange for FA weight, height and looks requirement.

 

[EWR_FO]

Thanks. If all absences are loaded after the PBS run, then vacation will take care of itself at more than 200%. You can bid a two 30-hour trips, one touches the first day of vacation and the other touches the last day of vacation, then the bid is awarded and the trips have to be bought from you because you've got vacation in that spot--like it used to be. You get paid 60 hours for two trips not flown.

This is why they got rid of this in C'02. It was a moneymaker and pilot emploment program. Plus the open time and trip trade really meant something. Now, not so much.

They had to drop whatever was touching the vacation but you only got paid for the part of the trip that actually overlapped the vacation days, in your example that would only be two days. If you were senior enough on the 777 you could get paid 51+ hours for one week. You can blame the a-hole's who negotiated POS '02 because the vacation policy was "low hanging fruit."

 

[densoo]

They had to drop whatever was touching the vacation but you only got paid for the part of the trip that actually overlapped the vacation days, in your example that would only be two days. If you were senior enough on the 777 you could get paid 51+ hours for one week. You can blame the a-hole's who negotiated POS '02 because the vacation policy was "low hanging fruit."

That was a lot of fruit.

 

[Shrek]

I will trade scope up to 76 seats in exchange for FA weight, height and looks requirement.

I won't trade ANYTHING for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

 

[b737boss]

i won't trade anything for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

amen!

 

[EWR_FO]

That was a lot of fruit.

Not to a guy who flew domestic 737 trips his whole career, THAT was a big part of the problem with all the a-holes who put that POS together.

 

[Fly2AK]

I won't trade ANYTHING for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

Amen brother! Without scope we have nothing. Hell even Bedford thinks he will be able to fly the C Series aircraft for mainline, a 149 pax regional. It is time to prove him and the other CEO's wrong and retake our scope protection!

 

[Skippy]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

 

[Jetjockey]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

There is a way to get rid of them..........................PARK THEM, just like the did the 737s!

 

[Shrek]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

I like this list for sure........
just add +50 seat scope to it

 

[Fly2AK]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

So do you think CAL guys should resign their scope because U guys got screwed in bankruptcy? I think that when the current contracts run out they are once again restricted and scoped out. In the mean time I think you have some great Ideas reduce the range to no flights beyond 1hr 20mins something like that.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Ya Exactly, When those contracts expire, so does any other pilots flying those planes. Period. I don't want the merger. If you want it so bad, pay for it.

 

[jonjuan]

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2010&month=10&day=04&p0=104

What's going to be in it:

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based on straight seniority, not title

-- CA IRO for CA, FO or CA IRO for FO; CA IRO if only one IRO needed

-- any sit time, scheduled or actual, greater than 90 minutes pays half time

How about also correcting the fact that a 20 y/o F/A, her 3 kids, 17 y/o boyfriend, 38 y/o Mom, and 2 cats ALL have non-rev priority ahead of a 35 y/o, college degreed, 12 year regional CA or MIL pilot (and family) who started new-hire training a week later after said F/A? Good luck finding a non-rev seat for you and your pilot family as loads quickly increase. Heck, no wonder F/As keep flying until 80. Their non- rev benes are pretty sweet compared to pilots given a 15 year head start on seniority.

 

[densoo]

27 days until 4 Oct

Have heard that the initial delay by CAL to look at the TPA was not a rejectjon of the TPA, but rather they didn't have people in place to even consider it. A temporary hiccup.

Also that the negotiations are proceeding without a great deal of resistance. Either means pilots are asking for too little, or management wants to get the deal done.

Find out in 27 days.

 

[pianoman]

My prediction is we won't have it done by then. That's just the deadline at which, if we aren't done, we apply to the NMB for mediation. The road may be long after that. (Willing to do it though)