Deal reached on new pilot hours

[pilotyip]

Who is "they"?

the they?, you named them

 

[hmmm]

I can say when we were flying cargo into Diego Garcia in the worst storms with so much rain we couldn't see anything but colors of the lights of the windshield in worst winds and lightning and 3 engines on DC-8s the military guy were always snuggling with their teddy bears or at least their teddies at 3AM.

And I know they didn't deal with gate agents and weather legalities and screwed up dispatchers dealing with 58.5 flights each and all other bs including contradictory mels and defrerals that although were airworthy they were not operationally airworthy and idiot ops people and a hundred other things to block out on time 6 and 7 legs a day at the airlines for thousands of hours. yeah those military guys excel at that stuff when their crystaline brain cells don't have everything in just the right place and can't hack it and complain and whine whereas others learn how to make it work legally and learn to direct.

The only thing that makes the military guys in any way better or more hire-able at the airlines especially the bathroom circle jerk that delta -was- is the good ol boy network.

But hey... that's my opinion. I'm human and some of the military guys do believe they are human. Some.

 

[crj567]

Once again-we will see my version of the endgame brought on by this type of new rule.

-The airlines will run out of "qualified" applicants very quickly. The ATA approach congress (with bags of money) and beg and plead for some way around this problem. The ATA will posit a solution: Cabotage.

Congress will buy it, and Cabotage will happen. $39 fares will continue, and our planes will just be piloted by people from 3rd-world countries. This "shortage" is just the vehicle the ATA will use to get congress to buy off on cabotage. People will be doing our job for minimum wage.

-It is coming-you can bet on it.

 

[xjhawk]

The way it was before was flawed since they had provision for those graduating from those "Elite" schools. If they came from them, the ones with political clout, they could have reduced hours. Just because they pay that kind of money does not make them better pilots at such a low time. I must say that neither does being a military pilot. What the military pilots have is as someone already posted, CRM abilities and procedures they follow to the letter. Discipline and professionalism. Oh well, another hopeful deal the government could have done but they screwed it up.

 

[pilotyip]

that is right going with the odds

Ummm... point of order, here, your 'honor'.

Let's stop throwing around the idea that EVERY military pilot is better than EVERY civilian pilot. Sure, the odds are that the military trained pilot is a better pilot than the civilian pilot,

As you said there is better chance that the 800 military pilot is better, so go with odds. BTW Only my humble experience, but having hired 47 military background pilots in last 12 years, only one failure, 298 civilian background hires, 27 failures. When you hired a mil pilot they are pretty much cookie cutter, you know what you are getting, when you hire a civilian you can get a superb pilot better than anything you have ever seen and you can also get something that should never be near an airplane unescorted.

 

[wrxpilot]

Congress will buy it, and Cabotage will happen. $39 fares will continue, and our planes will just be piloted by people from 3rd-world countries. This "shortage" is just the vehicle the ATA will use to get congress to buy off on cabotage. People will be doing our job for minimum wage.

-It is coming-you can bet on it.

So... Pilots from other countries, all of which pay better than US regional airlines, are going to flood the US for our sub-par wages and working conditions? Why?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So... Pilots from other countries, all of which pay better than US regional airlines, are going to flood the US for our sub-par wages and working conditions? Why?

They won't be pilots..... until they are trained. MPL?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As you said there is better chance that the 800 military pilot is better, so go with odds. BTW Only my humble experience, but having hired 47 military background pilots in last 12 years, only one failure, 298 civilian background hires, 27 failures. When you hired a mil pilot they are pretty much cookie cutter, you know what you are getting, when you hire a civilian you can get a superb pilot better than anything you have ever seen and you can also get something that should never be near an airplane unescorted.

Take the 298 civilians and give them the same slection process, budget and time to train as the MIL guys.....

 

[OCP]

Take the 298 civilians and give them the same slection process, budget and time to train as the MIL guys.....

Which ones were better for the airlines?

 

[phishn@daves]

As you said there is better chance that the 800 military pilot is better, so go with odds. BTW Only my humble experience, but having hired 47 military background pilots in last 12 years, only one failure, 298 civilian background hires, 27 failures. When you hired a mil pilot they are pretty much cookie cutter, you know what you are getting, when you hire a civilian you can get a superb pilot better than anything you have ever seen and you can also get something that should never be near an airplane unescorted.

I was airline and went fractional. At the airline I was CA for 4 yrs. FO for 3. Interviewed and was sim partners with an Air Force Training CA. He was the worst pilot I have ever shared a sim with.

1. He has almost zero instrument time (they do not fly in wx.)

2. Zero glass time ( I understand that)

3. Cannot hand fly in the clouds.

I can give you his name and number if you are ex AF and do not believe me.

Problem is........We (CIV) do not "plan" the trip for 12 hours the day before. We go out and fly as long as it it safe. We (civ) have the experience to fly in wx planned and forecast and most times beyond that.

Please don't play the Mil. vs. Civ card, because there is no comparison when you are flying for an airline.

I cannot fly a fighter jet. I would love to. But have not been through that training program.

I'm sure most Mil. guy's make it through just fine, but this one was just not working out in the "real" world.