West pilots to be "strikebreakers."

[vetrider]

Raoul,

USAIR East pilots are still professionals, just like you. They are trying to get home to their families for a reprieve from all the BS we are going through right now. I know it is hard but try to leave the politics out of the jumpseat.

Just my 2 cents...

Yeah, lots and lots of professionals just like us sue fellow pilots in federal court over nasty criminal actions like web board posts. I agree, just cause a guy stoops that low is no reason to deny him a jumpseat. Yep, gotta keep politics out of this.

 

[vetrider]

Dream on.

Your approval ratings among the rank and file are lower than mine.

Ha ha ha ha, now thats funny......and true.

 

[cactusboy53]

Not according to Judge Robert Harris on Oct 30, 2006, presiding over the TWU Arbitration between the AWA and USAir Flight Dispatchers.

The West characterizes the merger decision on AWA’s part as a one-way
economic bailout. But there is no support for this in the record; surely, the
respective companies did not endorse that view. AWA concluded, according to
the statements of its CEO, that “…when we looked out at our future, what we saw
wasn’t good…. Assuming we couldn’t go out and restructure or raise cash, it is
possible that AWA would have been facing its own Chapter 11 at some point.
Employees may like to think we “saved” US but the fact is we saved each other…"

Oh look!! A piece of straw!! Let's grasp at it!!

 

[LearLove]

ALPA has NEVER moved to fire a pilot for failing to pay dues or a percentage of dues at AAA or AWA. Guess what USAPA is after (specifically on the west)??

actually ALPA tried to have me fired while I was on dues checkoff - I have the letters to prove it. I was tossed out of ALPA and had to rejoin.

background: hired at Allegheny in 99 on dues checkoff right away after prob year, then bid to MidAtlantic in July 2004, signed up for dues check off right away (no probation). I took a cycle or 2 get the dues checkoff going so they billed me 60 bucks or so, they sent the bill to my old address in SYR and they had my new address address outside Philly.

 

[becket]

Just watched the crew news video. Vice Pud Cleary made a complete ass out of himself. I had to laugh when I first saw him. He looks like a dwarf with coke bottle glasses dressed up for Halloween as a pilot.

He's such a "wittle wittle" tough guy....Made me laugh. Seems as if they're planning on refilling the frivolous law suit and wasting more of their members money. Why? Because just like bullies, they get no respect from others so they just lash out like idiots.

They're a bunch of pansies who threaten to hold their breath until somebody...anybody shows them some respect.

 

[eaglesview]

Yeah, lots and lots of professionals just like us sue fellow pilots in federal court over nasty criminal actions like web board posts. I agree, just cause a guy stoops that low is no reason to deny him a jumpseat. Yep, gotta keep politics out of this.

So I guess for convenience you just going to assume all of the east coast guys think and feel the same way or are you going to use your magic 8 ball? Maybe you could try and “use the force!!" Or maybe this is why politics do not belong on the jumpseat.

 

[vetrider]

So I guess for convenience you just going to assume all of the east coast guys think and feel the same way or are you going to use your magic 8 ball? Maybe you could try and “use the force!!" Or maybe this is why politics do not belong on the jumpseat.

If they stand by and tolerate that, then yes, I have to assume they all feel that way. Sorry.

Sueing your fellow pilots in such a way, or standing idly by while your "representative" does so, goes far beyond politics. In fact I still have a hard time believing humans can sink so low.

 

[FR8mastr]

If they stand by and tolerate that, then yes, I have to assume they all feel that way. Sorry.

Sueing your fellow pilots in such a way, or standing idly by while your "representative" does so, goes far beyond politics. In fact I still have a hard time believing humans can sink so low.

Yes, they should have just made a couple thousand phone calls begging the West to stop and if that didnt work maybe some crap in the mail, or some doll hanging in a cockpit. Yes, they should have followed the upstanding example set by those on the West as to how to respond to a challenge.
Imagine those East bastages using legal means to try and stop harassment. Ohh the outrage!!!

 

[FDJ2]

USAIR East pilots are still professionals, just like you.

Professionals live up to their agreements and obligations. What part of final and binding does the east not understand?

Let's be honest, USAPA ia a sham union who's sole purpose is to side step an award they agreed to be bound by. It is not a union based on common principles, but a mugging of one pilot group of another.

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA won't be striking anytime soon. They're giving away the store (not theirs to give by the way) in exchange for a date of hire list. Don't bother speaking up in opposition, Bradford will not tolerate insubordination from anyone challenging his self appointed diety.

Of course the day will come when the remants of the east may be depending on those they've screwed, for retiree medical, pass priviledges, etc. and they should be prepared for the response.

 

[denny]

I've been a union member all of my professional life. But what this group calling themselves USAPA is doing, planning on doing and has done has me flummoxed. I can guarantee you that I want to join this union so I can be rejected for membership and thus be free of paying them a dime to destroy my life.

If they don't reject me then I have told them up front and in a letter that I will use all of my power and will to destroy their union but they've said they'll accept me anyway just to get my money.

I will cross a USAPA picket line. I will. I say that as a long time proud union member. USAPA is not a union. It is a terrorist organization.

I will be PROUD to scab their ranks. Proud.

 

[eaglesview]

I will cross a USAPA picket line. I will. I say that as a long time proud union member. USAPA is not a union. It is a terrorist organization.

I will be PROUD to scab their ranks. Proud.

About the most pathetic post I have seen yet. "Proud to scab" Got to be F kidding me.

 

[denny]

About the most pathetic post I have seen yet. "Proud to scab" Got to be F kidding me.

I agree it is pathetic what such a group of so called 'pilots' can do to a proud profession. I am not F kidding you. I will scab USAPA no questions asked. And when I do I will make sure my name is on all the lists because I want it there. USAPA is not a union.

 

[denny]

there is only one definition of scab in my book.

Would that be USAPA? If not, better pencil them in!

 

[eaglesview]

I agree it is pathetic what such a group of so called 'pilots' can do to a proud profession. I am not F kidding you. I will scab USAPA no questions asked. And when I do I will make sure my name is on all the lists because I want it there. USAPA is not a union.

Whatever, have a nice life.

 

[denny]

Whatever, have a nice life.

Thank you! I will. You see, I'm too old to get wrapped around the axle on this stuff. I am a former long time union rep and volunteer. The "brotherhood" that everyone likes to think still exists doesn't. I don't care what someone wants to think of me or what list to put me on. It doesn't much matter at the end of the day if 100 of 100 pilots are unified or split. They don't have much say one way or the other over events beyond their control.

I've been through a lot of crises in my career and I can honestly say that the current fuel crisis and the US Airways east/west integration is one of the most relaxed and comfortable times I've spent compared to the other events in times past.

But one thing I do know about this current situation. The USAPA guys have no integrity, no morals, no sense of pride or professionalism. Most of the east guys do and I have not had a cross word with one of them nor denied or been denied a jumpseat. But USAPA is an ugly, corrupt, evil and untrustworthy organization. I will, I repeat, I will proudly step across any USAPA picket line. I've been involved in enough work actions and unions to know that USAPA is the farthest thing from a union a pilot would ever want to see.

Somewhere, sometime one has to face up to his hardline core principles and stand there and defend and fight. USAPA is that time for me. Saying that as a longtime union member and volunteer. I hope to be back in a real union soon.

 

[PHXFLYR]

So I guess for convenience you just going to assume all of the east coast guys think and feel the same way or are you going to use your magic 8 ball? Maybe you could try and “use the force!!" Or maybe this is why politics do not belong on the jumpseat.

Agreed. But if thst's the case ,what's with the scab list check you put all your jumpseaters through ??

PHXFLYR

 

[eaglesview]

Agreed. But if thst's the case ,what's with the scab list check you put all your jumpseaters through ??

PHXFLYR

I do not give rides to scabs, end of story. On the other hand I don't care if you are USAPA, ALPA, SWAPA, even non union. I don't care if you are for or against Obama or McCain. I don't care about your race, religion, or sex. I will not take that into consideration when offering you a ride. Just no scabs.

By the tone set by the AWA side in this thread maybe I should double check when I have one looking for a ride.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Professionals live up to their agreements and obligations. What part of final and binding does the east not understand?

Let's be honest, USAPA ia a sham union who's sole purpose is to side step an award they agreed to be bound by. It is not a union based on common principles, but a mugging of one pilot group of another.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[vetrider]

I do not give rides to scabs, end of story. On the other hand I don't care if you are USAPA, ALPA, SWAPA, even non union. I don't care if you are for or against Obama or McCain. I don't care about your race, religion, or sex. I will not take that into consideration when offering you a ride. Just no scabs.

I don't care if about any of that either, I do care if you sue my fellow pilots for seven figures in federal court over a web board post. Thats not politics, thats just not letting someone lower than a scab on my jumpseat. Thats all.

Usapa lovers love to mention the ******************** in the mail and the doll and all that, but funny enough, none of those supposed people were listed as defendants.

 

[Deadalus]

What are the east guys going to want to strike over? Is it pay parity without joining the lists? Pretty sure the response from the west will be a big, "F$%! YOU" Is it getting rid of the binding arbitration award? Afraid that would be another big, "F*%! YOU!" Unless things have changed since I've been gone that would be my guess.

 

[Contract]

Every pilot in this profession should make sure that they are educated about the problems that the East US Airways PILOTS have created for the entire industry with their representational group USAPA.

1. They have weakend all pilots careers in our industry by demonstrating that Final & Binding Arbitration does not apply if you dont like the outcome. ( Next time you have a grievance with your company and you win perhaps the company will still attempt to have their way with you since Final & Binding no longer applies in our industry.)

Next time you see a US Airways Pilot be sure to let him/her know what you think about the entire mess they are creating for our industry. Like it or not what happens here will forever set a precedent in our industry as to how decisions rendered by Federal Arbitrators are respected.

If we can not respect the decision of a Federal Arbitrator then we open our profession up to much more disrespect.

For what its worth, the men and women who are trying to circumnavigate an agreement they entered into without duress should be held accountable for their actions. Anything less is intolerable and demonstrates not only a lack of integrity within our profession but weakens our barganing power within each and every union at our respectable airlines.

 

[linepilot]

Strike? You got to be kidding me.
There isn't a mediator on either side of the house that would release USAPA for self help.
Look forward to months and years of getting parked for being unreasonable ninnies and look forward to a membership of thousands shaking their heads in disbelief as the incompentence becomes unbearable.
None of the guys in USAPA leadership are sleeping at night, you can be sure of that.
Fun, ain't it?
Maybe you should all just quit and take a long vacation with your family.

 

[denny]

To pass the time many of the west pilots are submitting membership applications to USAPA along with a letter. In that letter we are saying that we do not agree with the USAPA C & BL and that, if accepted as a member, we will utilize our federally protected rights to undermine and destroy the union. It is the same thing the USAPA organizers did to ALPA. Do you want us as a member? If you do then one of our first acts will be to file appropriate constitutional charges against the board for accepting applicants who have stated upfront they will work to destroy the union.

The only other option is to reject the application. The applicant is then relieved of any and all financial obligations to the union. Word has it that the union will accept the malcontents just to get their money.

If they do that they will have proven yet again that the union and it's officers have no integrity.

I am submitting the letter with my app. I don't want to be a member of USAPA and I don't even want the association of being a non-member or an objector. I want to be rejected outright. If they do slut themselves out for my money then I will run wild within the union and never tire of working to destroy USAPA and all it stands for.

 

[waveflyer]

well done Denny.
I agree with everything you've posted.

 

[becket]

None of the guys in USAPA leadership are sleeping at night, you can be sure of that.
Fun, ain't it?
Maybe you should all just quit and take a long vacation with your family.

The "founders/leadership" will find out just how true a statement this is by September.

Contract Law is not RLA. RLA provides them zero individual protections.

 

[cactusboy53]

Good News (please make note of sharp disdain & sarcasm here)!!

It is my understanding that my "union" has appealed the lawsuit that they LOST. If that is true, that should cost you another $100K or better. How lucky we are to have our "union" watching after our interests and wisely spending the dues monies ENTRUSTED to the SELF-APPOINTED leadership.

Are you are BLINDLY giving these guys money every pay check?? Good on you then!!

 

[SWA/FO]

US Air East Pilots are a bunch of babies....even some of them that have come over to SWA - still talking $hit about their bad deal. I have to remind them - hey, buddy you're at SWA, now. You ain't got a dog in this fight.

 

[eaglesview]

well done Denny.
I agree with everything you've posted.

Oh so you are looking for a place to scab asl well. You must be so proud.

 

[MCDU]

It all does not matter what these AWA pilots want. The West will disappear and so will its pilot group at USAIR. Kind of like what happened to the Midatlantic Pilots.

Do not forget. AWA are not USAIR pilots. They can not bid a position at USAIR. They are locked into their aircraft. Kind of like the MDA folks. So lets just let them fold like we did with MDA and get this diseased pilot group off our back.

We do not want them. I say sell them to MESA and give them relative senioirity with no restrictions. They will be back at ALPA and all be happy.


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