West pilots to be "strikebreakers."

[denny]

I've been a union member all of my professional life. But what this group calling themselves USAPA is doing, planning on doing and has done has me flummoxed. I can guarantee you that I want to join this union so I can be rejected for membership and thus be free of paying them a dime to destroy my life.

If they don't reject me then I have told them up front and in a letter that I will use all of my power and will to destroy their union but they've said they'll accept me anyway just to get my money.

I will cross a USAPA picket line. I will. I say that as a long time proud union member. USAPA is not a union. It is a terrorist organization.

I will be PROUD to scab their ranks. Proud.

 

[eaglesview]

I will cross a USAPA picket line. I will. I say that as a long time proud union member. USAPA is not a union. It is a terrorist organization.

I will be PROUD to scab their ranks. Proud.

About the most pathetic post I have seen yet. "Proud to scab" Got to be F kidding me.

 

[denny]

About the most pathetic post I have seen yet. "Proud to scab" Got to be F kidding me.

I agree it is pathetic what such a group of so called 'pilots' can do to a proud profession. I am not F kidding you. I will scab USAPA no questions asked. And when I do I will make sure my name is on all the lists because I want it there. USAPA is not a union.

 

[denny]

there is only one definition of scab in my book.

Would that be USAPA? If not, better pencil them in!

 

[eaglesview]

I agree it is pathetic what such a group of so called 'pilots' can do to a proud profession. I am not F kidding you. I will scab USAPA no questions asked. And when I do I will make sure my name is on all the lists because I want it there. USAPA is not a union.

Whatever, have a nice life.

 

[denny]

Whatever, have a nice life.

Thank you! I will. You see, I'm too old to get wrapped around the axle on this stuff. I am a former long time union rep and volunteer. The "brotherhood" that everyone likes to think still exists doesn't. I don't care what someone wants to think of me or what list to put me on. It doesn't much matter at the end of the day if 100 of 100 pilots are unified or split. They don't have much say one way or the other over events beyond their control.

I've been through a lot of crises in my career and I can honestly say that the current fuel crisis and the US Airways east/west integration is one of the most relaxed and comfortable times I've spent compared to the other events in times past.

But one thing I do know about this current situation. The USAPA guys have no integrity, no morals, no sense of pride or professionalism. Most of the east guys do and I have not had a cross word with one of them nor denied or been denied a jumpseat. But USAPA is an ugly, corrupt, evil and untrustworthy organization. I will, I repeat, I will proudly step across any USAPA picket line. I've been involved in enough work actions and unions to know that USAPA is the farthest thing from a union a pilot would ever want to see.

Somewhere, sometime one has to face up to his hardline core principles and stand there and defend and fight. USAPA is that time for me. Saying that as a longtime union member and volunteer. I hope to be back in a real union soon.

 

[PHXFLYR]

So I guess for convenience you just going to assume all of the east coast guys think and feel the same way or are you going to use your magic 8 ball? Maybe you could try and “use the force!!" Or maybe this is why politics do not belong on the jumpseat.

Agreed. But if thst's the case ,what's with the scab list check you put all your jumpseaters through ??

PHXFLYR

 

[eaglesview]

Agreed. But if thst's the case ,what's with the scab list check you put all your jumpseaters through ??

PHXFLYR

I do not give rides to scabs, end of story. On the other hand I don't care if you are USAPA, ALPA, SWAPA, even non union. I don't care if you are for or against Obama or McCain. I don't care about your race, religion, or sex. I will not take that into consideration when offering you a ride. Just no scabs.

By the tone set by the AWA side in this thread maybe I should double check when I have one looking for a ride.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Professionals live up to their agreements and obligations. What part of final and binding does the east not understand?

Let's be honest, USAPA ia a sham union who's sole purpose is to side step an award they agreed to be bound by. It is not a union based on common principles, but a mugging of one pilot group of another.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[vetrider]

I do not give rides to scabs, end of story. On the other hand I don't care if you are USAPA, ALPA, SWAPA, even non union. I don't care if you are for or against Obama or McCain. I don't care about your race, religion, or sex. I will not take that into consideration when offering you a ride. Just no scabs.

I don't care if about any of that either, I do care if you sue my fellow pilots for seven figures in federal court over a web board post. Thats not politics, thats just not letting someone lower than a scab on my jumpseat. Thats all.

Usapa lovers love to mention the ******************** in the mail and the doll and all that, but funny enough, none of those supposed people were listed as defendants.

 

[Deadalus]

What are the east guys going to want to strike over? Is it pay parity without joining the lists? Pretty sure the response from the west will be a big, "F$%! YOU" Is it getting rid of the binding arbitration award? Afraid that would be another big, "F*%! YOU!" Unless things have changed since I've been gone that would be my guess.

 

[Contract]

Every pilot in this profession should make sure that they are educated about the problems that the East US Airways PILOTS have created for the entire industry with their representational group USAPA.

1. They have weakend all pilots careers in our industry by demonstrating that Final & Binding Arbitration does not apply if you dont like the outcome. ( Next time you have a grievance with your company and you win perhaps the company will still attempt to have their way with you since Final & Binding no longer applies in our industry.)

Next time you see a US Airways Pilot be sure to let him/her know what you think about the entire mess they are creating for our industry. Like it or not what happens here will forever set a precedent in our industry as to how decisions rendered by Federal Arbitrators are respected.

If we can not respect the decision of a Federal Arbitrator then we open our profession up to much more disrespect.

For what its worth, the men and women who are trying to circumnavigate an agreement they entered into without duress should be held accountable for their actions. Anything less is intolerable and demonstrates not only a lack of integrity within our profession but weakens our barganing power within each and every union at our respectable airlines.

 

[linepilot]

Strike? You got to be kidding me.
There isn't a mediator on either side of the house that would release USAPA for self help.
Look forward to months and years of getting parked for being unreasonable ninnies and look forward to a membership of thousands shaking their heads in disbelief as the incompentence becomes unbearable.
None of the guys in USAPA leadership are sleeping at night, you can be sure of that.
Fun, ain't it?
Maybe you should all just quit and take a long vacation with your family.

 

[denny]

To pass the time many of the west pilots are submitting membership applications to USAPA along with a letter. In that letter we are saying that we do not agree with the USAPA C & BL and that, if accepted as a member, we will utilize our federally protected rights to undermine and destroy the union. It is the same thing the USAPA organizers did to ALPA. Do you want us as a member? If you do then one of our first acts will be to file appropriate constitutional charges against the board for accepting applicants who have stated upfront they will work to destroy the union.

The only other option is to reject the application. The applicant is then relieved of any and all financial obligations to the union. Word has it that the union will accept the malcontents just to get their money.

If they do that they will have proven yet again that the union and it's officers have no integrity.

I am submitting the letter with my app. I don't want to be a member of USAPA and I don't even want the association of being a non-member or an objector. I want to be rejected outright. If they do slut themselves out for my money then I will run wild within the union and never tire of working to destroy USAPA and all it stands for.

 

[waveflyer]

well done Denny.
I agree with everything you've posted.

 

[becket]

None of the guys in USAPA leadership are sleeping at night, you can be sure of that.
Fun, ain't it?
Maybe you should all just quit and take a long vacation with your family.

The "founders/leadership" will find out just how true a statement this is by September.

Contract Law is not RLA. RLA provides them zero individual protections.

 

[cactusboy53]

Good News (please make note of sharp disdain & sarcasm here)!!

It is my understanding that my "union" has appealed the lawsuit that they LOST. If that is true, that should cost you another $100K or better. How lucky we are to have our "union" watching after our interests and wisely spending the dues monies ENTRUSTED to the SELF-APPOINTED leadership.

Are you are BLINDLY giving these guys money every pay check?? Good on you then!!

 

[SWA/FO]

US Air East Pilots are a bunch of babies....even some of them that have come over to SWA - still talking $hit about their bad deal. I have to remind them - hey, buddy you're at SWA, now. You ain't got a dog in this fight.

 

[eaglesview]

well done Denny.
I agree with everything you've posted.

Oh so you are looking for a place to scab asl well. You must be so proud.

 

[MCDU]

It all does not matter what these AWA pilots want. The West will disappear and so will its pilot group at USAIR. Kind of like what happened to the Midatlantic Pilots.

Do not forget. AWA are not USAIR pilots. They can not bid a position at USAIR. They are locked into their aircraft. Kind of like the MDA folks. So lets just let them fold like we did with MDA and get this diseased pilot group off our back.

We do not want them. I say sell them to MESA and give them relative senioirity with no restrictions. They will be back at ALPA and all be happy.


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