West pilots to be "strikebreakers."

[Tejas-Jet]

Wait....wait !!!

Has PCL weighed in on this yet? Or can he? Remember, he did send lots of money to the AWA pilot defense fund.

Shouldn't he have a say in this?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

How about some UAL, SWA, FedEx, NWA, DAL, CAL, et al guys and gals weigh in?? --->OK...this SWA guy will weigh in. My company has a J/S agreement with US airways...period. Don't care if you are East, West, North or South...if you have the proper documentation and are in ...

Can't wait to have a East and West pilot on the J/S....should be fun.

But seriously...this is nothing more than Uncle Henry beating up Aunt Mabel again...and the family wanting to take it out into the middle of the street...because they don't want to deal with it privately.

ALPA has NEVER moved to fire a pilot for failing to pay dues or a percentage of dues at AAA or AWA.
--->You need to do some more research....see what happened in 1989/90 when certain members decided they didn't agree with the EAL strike assesssment ..however I heard they fell into line pretty quickly after discovering what their limited options were.

Besides, taking steps to terminate a non-dues payer is in the current agreement....like it or not. And, if you don't like it, then get to work to change it....obviously, you are pretty happy with it, or it would've been changed already.

 

[BeCareful!]

Frankly, I think this is a moot point since we all know it'll never come to that. Regardless, I don't interpret this statement as an intent to be a strikebreaker but merely as a lack of support for a strike under those conditions.

TWA Dude,

You're right, I don't think it will come to this either, but the irony of is pretty funny. I laugh thinking about guys like Ocity ending up on the real scab list someday after years of using the word improperly and denying US Airways pilots jumpseats. Try as y'all might (by spouting off on FI.com about it), there is no industry wide opinion about us or what we have done. No one I know has been denied a jumpseat on any other carrier over this. It's like one of those Internet legends. Pretty lame....

 

[RedRum]

Here we go again

I agree with Cactus and dont fly for US. The west guys are the only ones permitted on my JS.

Raoul,

It was only a matter of time before the jumpseat came up again. The jumpseat is not a political tool. It was never meant to be and it never will be. If you feel like you need to educate the pilot requesting a jumpseat why don't you be a man and tell him what you think, and THEN give him/her the jumpseat.

USAIR East pilots are still professionals, just like you. They are trying to get home to their families for a reprieve from all the BS we are going through right now. I know it is hard but try to leave the politics out of the jumpseat.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[SFR]

Why is it that all you regional guys are so into everyone's business at the majors? Go to a major then...

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Try as y'all might (by spouting off on FI.com about it), there is no industry wide opinion about us or what we have done.

Dream on.

Your approval ratings among the rank and file are lower than mine.

 

[CopilotDoug]

But seriously...this is nothing more than Uncle Henry beating up Aunt Mabel again...and the family wanting to take it out into the middle of the street...because they don't want to deal with it privately.

Well said:beer:

Maybe the 2 sides could hash it out on Jerry Springer?

 

[BeCareful!]

Why is it that all you regional guys are so into everyone's business at the majors? Go to a major then...

Yeah....exactly!

Wait.....who are you talking about?

 

[Soverytired]

USAPA isn't a recognized union.

If it's registered with the Department of Labor, it most certainly is "recognized."

I understand you sentiment, and have nothing but sympathy for the Westies. Nevetheless, crossing the picket line of a legally elected union can only be called one thing.

That word starts with an "S". You know the rest.

If they go down this road, ALPA would be cutting its own throat by not condeming any strike breaking activities. It not for individuals to decide what consitutes "scabbing" . . that is, for better or worse, the job of legally constituted unions and their leaderships.

 

[Soverytired]

Why is it that all you regional guys are so into everyone's business at the majors? Go to a major then...

Uh, maybe some were at regionals, are now at majors, and still are concerned with issues at both?

Besides, there's plenty of beyotching at majors about regionals "stealing our flying".

 

[vetrider]

Raoul,

USAIR East pilots are still professionals, just like you. They are trying to get home to their families for a reprieve from all the BS we are going through right now. I know it is hard but try to leave the politics out of the jumpseat.

Just my 2 cents...

Yeah, lots and lots of professionals just like us sue fellow pilots in federal court over nasty criminal actions like web board posts. I agree, just cause a guy stoops that low is no reason to deny him a jumpseat. Yep, gotta keep politics out of this.

 

[vetrider]

Dream on.

Your approval ratings among the rank and file are lower than mine.

Ha ha ha ha, now thats funny......and true.

 

[cactusboy53]

Not according to Judge Robert Harris on Oct 30, 2006, presiding over the TWU Arbitration between the AWA and USAir Flight Dispatchers.

The West characterizes the merger decision on AWA’s part as a one-way
economic bailout. But there is no support for this in the record; surely, the
respective companies did not endorse that view. AWA concluded, according to
the statements of its CEO, that “…when we looked out at our future, what we saw
wasn’t good…. Assuming we couldn’t go out and restructure or raise cash, it is
possible that AWA would have been facing its own Chapter 11 at some point.
Employees may like to think we “saved” US but the fact is we saved each other…"

Oh look!! A piece of straw!! Let's grasp at it!!

 

[LearLove]

ALPA has NEVER moved to fire a pilot for failing to pay dues or a percentage of dues at AAA or AWA. Guess what USAPA is after (specifically on the west)??

actually ALPA tried to have me fired while I was on dues checkoff - I have the letters to prove it. I was tossed out of ALPA and had to rejoin.

background: hired at Allegheny in 99 on dues checkoff right away after prob year, then bid to MidAtlantic in July 2004, signed up for dues check off right away (no probation). I took a cycle or 2 get the dues checkoff going so they billed me 60 bucks or so, they sent the bill to my old address in SYR and they had my new address address outside Philly.

 

[becket]

Just watched the crew news video. Vice Pud Cleary made a complete ass out of himself. I had to laugh when I first saw him. He looks like a dwarf with coke bottle glasses dressed up for Halloween as a pilot.

He's such a "wittle wittle" tough guy....Made me laugh. Seems as if they're planning on refilling the frivolous law suit and wasting more of their members money. Why? Because just like bullies, they get no respect from others so they just lash out like idiots.

They're a bunch of pansies who threaten to hold their breath until somebody...anybody shows them some respect.

 

[eaglesview]

Yeah, lots and lots of professionals just like us sue fellow pilots in federal court over nasty criminal actions like web board posts. I agree, just cause a guy stoops that low is no reason to deny him a jumpseat. Yep, gotta keep politics out of this.

So I guess for convenience you just going to assume all of the east coast guys think and feel the same way or are you going to use your magic 8 ball? Maybe you could try and “use the force!!" Or maybe this is why politics do not belong on the jumpseat.

 

[vetrider]

So I guess for convenience you just going to assume all of the east coast guys think and feel the same way or are you going to use your magic 8 ball? Maybe you could try and “use the force!!" Or maybe this is why politics do not belong on the jumpseat.

If they stand by and tolerate that, then yes, I have to assume they all feel that way. Sorry.

Sueing your fellow pilots in such a way, or standing idly by while your "representative" does so, goes far beyond politics. In fact I still have a hard time believing humans can sink so low.

 

[FR8mastr]

If they stand by and tolerate that, then yes, I have to assume they all feel that way. Sorry.

Sueing your fellow pilots in such a way, or standing idly by while your "representative" does so, goes far beyond politics. In fact I still have a hard time believing humans can sink so low.

Yes, they should have just made a couple thousand phone calls begging the West to stop and if that didnt work maybe some crap in the mail, or some doll hanging in a cockpit. Yes, they should have followed the upstanding example set by those on the West as to how to respond to a challenge.
Imagine those East bastages using legal means to try and stop harassment. Ohh the outrage!!!

 

[FDJ2]

USAIR East pilots are still professionals, just like you.

Professionals live up to their agreements and obligations. What part of final and binding does the east not understand?

Let's be honest, USAPA ia a sham union who's sole purpose is to side step an award they agreed to be bound by. It is not a union based on common principles, but a mugging of one pilot group of another.

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA won't be striking anytime soon. They're giving away the store (not theirs to give by the way) in exchange for a date of hire list. Don't bother speaking up in opposition, Bradford will not tolerate insubordination from anyone challenging his self appointed diety.

Of course the day will come when the remants of the east may be depending on those they've screwed, for retiree medical, pass priviledges, etc. and they should be prepared for the response.