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BeCareful!

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ITEM FOUR: AWAPPA has reportedly advised its adherents to join USAPA as members, but, at the same time, to communicate to USAPA their prospective intent to violate the USAPA Constitution, including an intent to act as strikebreakers.



Wow. There's another word for that term "strikebreaker"....um, what is it? Oh, that's right, you guys have several of them on your list, but it's that word you keep using to describe others who don't actually fit the description. I think it's banned from use here.
 
BeCareful! said:
Wow. There's another word for that term "strikebreaker"....um, what is it? Oh, that's right, you guys have several of them on your list, but it's that word you keep using to describe others who don't actually fit the description. I think it's banned from use here.
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And yet the east pilots heavily involved in USAPA just can't understand why they are viewed as the pariah's of the commercial airline industry. Don't believe me? How about some UAL, SWA, FedEx, NWA, DAL, CAL, et al guys and gals weigh in??

ALPA has NEVER moved to fire a pilot for failing to pay dues or a percentage of dues at AAA or AWA. Guess what USAPA is after (specifically on the west)??

A recent company meeting left a USAPA vice president asking the CEO...Why can't we get pay parity? It took the CEO seven or eight times to tell the FO that we were offered a better contract that included pay parity (about a year and a half ago), and that pay parity would only come in the form of a joint contract. I still think that the USAPA VP didn't get it.

Following that was an east captain that verbally took that FO out to the shed on his union's mis-deeds and mis-fire toward our CEO.

USAPA will get you a new contract in a couple of weeks. Oh crap, a couple of months! Oh crap, a couple of years??

BeCareful, happy fishin'!!
 
Ok, try this next time you jumpseat around. Tell them you are from the East and see who the guys at other airlines are really for. I've tried this a couple of times and for the most part they mimic whatever you say just to keep you out of their hair.

I don't like the word scab or strikebreaker being used by either side.

This deal was business not personal. And it will be resolved accordingly.
 
USAPA certainly IS a "recognized" union....just ask your CEO.

So, if there is a strike and you guys cross the line, what special word will get used to describe you?
 
Sounds like the same problems as blue book/red book. Do you think these issues will go away after 20 years? Have fun working there.
 
Wasn't USAir East going to close it's doors anyways? They should be happy to have a job. Bottom of the list!!!
 
SFR said:
Wasn't USAir East going to close it's doors anyways? They should be happy to have a job. Bottom of the list!!!
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SFR, you are a retard.

You asked in the other thread "is CAL hiring?" Are you serious? Are you that clueless? If you are so smart about this industry to not even know if CAL is hiring or not, then get your ******************** right about USAir and the merger process.
 
SFR said:
Wasn't USAir East going to close it's doors anyways? They should be happy to have a job....
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Not according to Judge Robert Harris on Oct 30, 2006, presiding over the TWU Arbitration between the AWA and USAir Flight Dispatchers.

The West characterizes the merger decision on AWA’s part as a one-way
economic bailout. But there is no support for this in the record; surely, the
respective companies did not endorse that view. AWA concluded, according to
the statements of its CEO, that “…when we looked out at our future, what we saw
wasn’t good…. Assuming we couldn’t go out and restructure or raise cash, it is
possible that AWA would have been facing its own Chapter 11 at some point.
Employees may like to think we “saved” US but the fact is we saved each other…"
 
Colonel Savage said:
Not according to Judge Robert Harris on Oct 30, 2006, presiding over the TWU Arbitration between the AWA and USAir Flight Dispatchers.

The West characterizes the merger decision on AWA’s part as a one-way
economic bailout. But there is no support for this in the record; surely, the
respective companies did not endorse that view. AWA concluded, according to
the statements of its CEO, that “…when we looked out at our future, what we saw
wasn’t good…. Assuming we couldn’t go out and restructure or raise cash, it is
possible that AWA would have been facing its own Chapter 11 at some point.
Employees may like to think we “saved” US but the fact is we saved each other…"
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The CEO stated...two days ago, (on video) that there wasn't enough time to do a DAL/NWA type merger because US Air was too close to liquidation. Chapter 11 would have been welcome compared to the scatsandwich we've been fed via US Air merger and their legacy of complete failure.
 
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BeCareful! said:
ITEM FOUR: AWAPPA has reportedly advised its adherents to join USAPA as members but at the same time to communicate to USAPA their prospective intent to violate the USAPA Constitution, including an intent to act as strikebreakers.
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The sample letter supplied to us by AWAPPA reads in part:

"I will also take all lawful actions within my power to replace USAPA with a bargaining agent that believes in the rule of law rather then the tyranny of the majority, and I will never strike in support of a contract that contains seniority provisions that deviate from the Nicolau Award."

Frankly, I think this is a moot point since we all know it'll never come to that. Regardless, I don't interpret this statement as an intent to be a strikebreaker but merely as a lack of support for a strike under those conditions. It's pretty hard to strike with less than 66% support.

To my knowledge nobody who's applied with the letter has received a response.
 
He said he wouldn't strike for a contract that screws him. Big deal. Not a lot of pilots would.
I'd believe him, though. Unlike the East, his word means something.
 
cactusboy53 said:
And yet the east pilots heavily involved in USAPA just can't understand why they are viewed as the pariah's of the commercial airline industry. Don't believe me? How about some UAL, SWA, FedEx, NWA, DAL, CAL, et al guys and gals weigh in??
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UAL'r here, they are welcome on my jumpseat in fact have already had several. You are as well though I don't discriminate. Openly talking about scabbing though could change my mind. I do and always have carried a "master scab list."

PS before you all try to muddy the water there is only one definition of scab in my book.
 
eaglesview said:
UAL'r here, they are welcome on my jumpseat in fact have already had several. You are as well though I don't discriminate. Openly talking about scabbing though could change my mind. I do and always have carried a "master scab list."

PS before you all try to muddy the water there is only one definition of scab in my book.
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You're the only one who carries "your book" thank God...

Not me. Eastholes need not apply.
 
Has there ever been a scab picket line in the past? I think we are dealing with a complete unknown, which is only hypothetical at this point anyway.
 
Wait....wait !!!

Has PCL weighed in on this yet? Or can he? Remember, he did send lots of money to the AWA pilot defense fund.

Shouldn't he have a say in this?
 
How about some UAL, SWA, FedEx, NWA, DAL, CAL, et al guys and gals weigh in?? --->OK...this SWA guy will weigh in. My company has a J/S agreement with US airways...period. Don't care if you are East, West, North or South...if you have the proper documentation and are in ...

Can't wait to have a East and West pilot on the J/S....should be fun.

But seriously...this is nothing more than Uncle Henry beating up Aunt Mabel again...and the family wanting to take it out into the middle of the street...because they don't want to deal with it privately.

ALPA has NEVER moved to fire a pilot for failing to pay dues or a percentage of dues at AAA or AWA.
--->You need to do some more research....see what happened in 1989/90 when certain members decided they didn't agree with the EAL strike assesssment ..however I heard they fell into line pretty quickly after discovering what their limited options were.

Besides, taking steps to terminate a non-dues payer is in the current agreement....like it or not. And, if you don't like it, then get to work to change it....obviously, you are pretty happy with it, or it would've been changed already.
 
TWA Dude said:
Frankly, I think this is a moot point since we all know it'll never come to that. Regardless, I don't interpret this statement as an intent to be a strikebreaker but merely as a lack of support for a strike under those conditions.
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TWA Dude,

You're right, I don't think it will come to this either, but the irony of is pretty funny. I laugh thinking about guys like Ocity ending up on the real scab list someday after years of using the word improperly and denying US Airways pilots jumpseats. Try as y'all might (by spouting off on FI.com about it), there is no industry wide opinion about us or what we have done. No one I know has been denied a jumpseat on any other carrier over this. It's like one of those Internet legends. Pretty lame....
 
Here we go again

Raoul Duke said:
I agree with Cactus and dont fly for US. The west guys are the only ones permitted on my JS.
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Raoul,

It was only a matter of time before the jumpseat came up again. The jumpseat is not a political tool. It was never meant to be and it never will be. If you feel like you need to educate the pilot requesting a jumpseat why don't you be a man and tell him what you think, and THEN give him/her the jumpseat.

USAIR East pilots are still professionals, just like you. They are trying to get home to their families for a reprieve from all the BS we are going through right now. I know it is hard but try to leave the politics out of the jumpseat.

Just my 2 cents...
 
Why is it that all you regional guys are so into everyone's business at the majors? Go to a major then...
 
Tejas-Jet said:
But seriously...this is nothing more than Uncle Henry beating up Aunt Mabel again...and the family wanting to take it out into the middle of the street...because they don't want to deal with it privately.
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Well said:beer:

Maybe the 2 sides could hash it out on Jerry Springer?
 
becket said:
USAPA isn't a recognized union.
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If it's registered with the Department of Labor, it most certainly is "recognized."

I understand you sentiment, and have nothing but sympathy for the Westies. Nevetheless, crossing the picket line of a legally elected union can only be called one thing.

That word starts with an "S". You know the rest.

If they go down this road, ALPA would be cutting its own throat by not condeming any strike breaking activities. It not for individuals to decide what consitutes "scabbing" . . that is, for better or worse, the job of legally constituted unions and their leaderships.
 

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