NWA/DAL solving the seniority issue

[Redmeat]

Just like a pilot, you have to adjust for changing conditions. If strong headwinds resulted in insufficient fuel to assure a safe outcome you would be wise to consider a diversion.

Well said. And that is exactly why DS, RA, and WS are looking for a merger.

 

[Redmeat]

I stand to lose a lot in this merger and will likely resign once the details are confirmed. None the less, in the interest of our profession I hope that ALPA can make this transaction work for its membership. This thing is perilously close to being USAPA version 2.0.

Oh stop. Now you are just being dramatic.

If you wanted to be in the airline industry and yet still have total control of your destiny you should have invested in the airlines or become top floor management, but certainly not flown for them.

That said we can be smart about this or we can once again illustrate to management that we are a bunch of 'petulant morons' (someone else's words on FI) incapable of shedding our ego's and constructively conducting ourselves as a group of professionals.

It's fun to sling fod and banter on FI, but threatening to quit your job with this economy and uncertain future because of a merger where you will get a 7% raise and a $100,000 check to your bank account is a bit much.

I call BS.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hey oil is over 107 a barrel!
Scary...

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

The truth of the matter is that the money guys want to cash out.

We are just along for the ride. We can agree to work together, or not, but no bitching about the consequences.

We'll certainly get to vote on any contract goodies, but if there is any kind of agreement, but I don't think EITHER pilot group will be permitted MEMRAT on the SLI....MECRAT only.

Nu

 

[~~~^~~~]

If you wanted to be in the airline industry and yet still have total control of your destiny you should have invested in the airlines or become top floor management, but certainly not flown for them.

Invested in airlines? What?

Having been there and done that, flying, even at a "regional" is a better job than being a Vice President.

To simulate the experience, go drive in traffic from 0500 to 0700. Then lock yourself in the smallest corner room of your house and start working on optimizing your tax returns, set a timer on the phone so that it rings constantly with people asking detailed questions about one of your 150 projects and interrupt your efforts with several secretaries arguing about percieved acts of favoritism. Break for lunch with your Boss to get a few million more in authority while you talk about him and his promotion, get back to a stack of messages from folks in different time zones. Now you are in a race, can you return calls to keep the operation on the rails before the folks in Europe start going home? Miss a call and something might get spent that costs serious money. In a flash it is 1600 and you start working your way across the planet, ending up by fixing the stuff in California late in the day. You want to get out and go for a run, your Company has a nice set up, but by now the sun is going down and attorneys are coming in town for a dinner (briefing) on one of your other projects. You also need to prepare for a business trip - at least you have "the jet" tomorrow and that saves you an hour or two driving and waiting. Another hour drive and you get home to find your wife and kids asleep. Rinse and repeat at 0500 the next morning. If you are really good, you just make do on 4 to 5 hours of sleep and only go for a full 8 the night before a trial.

Most of the people who work this hard make less than a Captain at NWA, or Delta. Get stock options and your results can differ.

It is just like flying, all the work that the outside world does not see fails to be appreciated by the masses who think the job is "easy." Truth is, a good professional just makes the impossible look easy.

Notice that most of the "suits" on board our flight have a hard time remaining awake for the safety demo. An "effective" manager in the real world (a start up, not a 75 year old legacy company) probably has not seen eight hours of sleep since his last vacation that he cut down to three days because work was piling up at the office.

 

[Redmeat]

Invested in airlines? What?

Having been there and done that, flying, even at a "regional" is a better job than being a Vice President.

To simulate the experience, go drive in traffic from 0500 to 0700. Then lock yourself in the smallest corner room of your house and start working on optimizing your tax returns, set a timer on the phone so that it rings constantly with people asking detailed questions about one of your 150 projects and interrupt your efforts with several secretaries arguing about percieved acts of favoritism. Break for lunch with your Boss to get a few million more in authority while you talk about him and his promotion, get back to a stack of messages from folks in different time zones. Now you are in a race, can you return calls to keep the operation on the rails before the folks in Europe start going home? Miss a call and something might get spent that costs serious money. In a flash it is 1600 and you start working your way across the planet, ending up by fixing the stuff in California late in the day. You want to get out and go for a run, your Company has a nice set up, but by now the sun is going down and attorneys are coming in town for a dinner (briefing) on one of your other projects. You also need to prepare for a business trip - at least you have "the jet" tomorrow and that saves you an hour or two driving and waiting. Another hour drive and you get home to find your wife and kids asleep. Rinse and repeat at 0500 the next morning. If you are really good, you just make do on 4 to 5 hours of sleep and only go for a full 8 the night before a trial.

Most of the people who work this hard make less than a Captain at NWA, or Delta. Get stock options and your results can differ.

It is just like flying, all the work that the outside world does not see fails to be appreciated by the masses who think the job is "easy." Truth is, a good professional just makes the impossible look easy.

Notice that most of the "suits" on board our flight have a hard time remaining awake for the safety demo. An "effective" manager in the real world (a start up, not a 75 year old legacy company) probably has not seen eight hours of sleep since his last vacation that he cut down to three days because work was piling up at the office.

Look...you're not management and neither am I. We're pilots. We have a rare opportunity here to have some control over our future during an unprecedented situation...

...for now.

Let's use that control wisely.

Peace.

 

[~~~^~~~]

We're pilots. We have a rare opportunity here to have some control over our future during an unprecedented situation...

...for now.

Let's use that control wisely.

Peace.

Absolutely agreed.

 

[Noserider76]

Heyas,

We'll certainly get to vote on any contract goodies, but if there is any kind of agreement, but I don't think EITHER pilot group will be permitted MEMRAT on the SLI....MECRAT only.

Nu

Straight from the reps...Memrat on contract/SLI package deal. All or nothing.

 

[PCL_128]

That's what you said last time and the board rumor turned out to be true

Actually, he was 100% right. He said they would be back to the table, and they were. You would be smart to listen to Occam. The man knows what's going on.

 

[jke406]

Actually, he was 100% right. He said they would be back to the table, and they were. You would be smart to listen to Occam. The man knows what's going on.

let me guess: Occam is one of your union "friends with privileges?"

 

[Redmeat]

Actually, he was 100% right. He said they would be back to the table, and they were. You would be smart to listen to Occam. The man knows what's going on.

To use a younger generation's term...WORD.

 

[PCL_128]

Jke, friends with privileges? Isn't that what you have down at the bath house?

 

[Redmeat]

let me guess: Occam is one of your union "friends with privileges?"

jke406...what exactly is your position in all of this?

You sure do have a lot say. Please enlighten all of us @ NW and DAL.

Do you work for either airline?

 

[Truckdriver]

Hey oil is over 107 a barrel!
Scary...

That is what we said when it crossed $50, then $60, then $70, etc. People also said they would never pay $3/gal for gas and consumption has never slowed. Consumption of gas won't slow until gas hits around $5/gal and then small business in the U.S.A. will come up with alternative energy sources and stop waiting on the government or big oil to do something they will never do. Just like gasoline for our cars, Americans will fly if it costs a few bucks more. The only thing that will hurt this industry is if ALL the airlines don't add fuel surcharges. It seems over the last year that most of the fuel surcharge increases have stuck and that is a good thing. I think the next couple of years will be like any other recession in the airline industry, but airlines will make it through just as they always do. If we had a government that worried about the economy of the nation instead of the economy of a few rich folks in the U.S., then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

 

[jke406]

jke406...what exactly is your position in all of this?

You sure do have a lot say. Please enlighten all of us @ NW and DAL.

Do you work for either airline?

I just call it like I see it.

there are plenty of tools at NWA, DAL, ALPA, etc. etc. who could benefit by doing the same thing.