NWA/DAL solving the seniority issue

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Thanks, I wasn't sure.

 

[JAM-BRO]

JKE406

You are a f@kin d!k.......

No, "ignorance at its zenith" would be represented by what NWA pilots are demanding. Pure lunacy.

My Delta friends would be much better served in arbitration than they would by giving up even more than they have already offered, to try to get the stubborn (and deluded) NWA pilots on board.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Not to contradict the teacher, but it's my understanding from my rep that there is NO proposal, thus nothing to be voted on.. none, blank, goose egg, nadir, naught, nil, nix, nothing, nullity, oblivion, ought, void, zero, zilch, zip, zot, {empty}.

"Nothing"?

So our teams spent the better part of a month comparing fave porn sites?

I'll try to keep this delicately diplomatic: The "discussions" have consisted of proposals from Day One. The last one is the current one. Since there was no agreement...there are two proposals. The MEC has the ability to accept any proposal as "The Deal".

If there are no more discussions, the two proposals are the FINAL PROPOSALS.

It's my belief that the likelihood of no further discussions is greater than the likelihood of meeting and moving.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The NWA merger committee is a green guy and two fairly junior blue guys.

Nu

Chairman: Very senior Greenbook guy.
Member: Mid-seniority A320 Captain (2,900)
Member: A320 F/O (3,500)

 

[FDJ2]

no[/U] further discussions is greater than the likelihood of meeting and moving.

Yep.

No hard feelings, time to move on.

 

[NuGuy]

"Nothing"?

So our teams spent the better part of a month comparing fave porn sites?

I'll try to keep this delicately diplomatic: The "discussions" have consisted of proposals from Day One. The last one is the current one. Since there was no agreement...there are two proposals. The MEC has the ability to accept any proposal as "The Deal".

If there are no more discussions, the two proposals are the FINAL PROPOSALS.

It's my belief that the likelihood of no further discussions is greater than the likelihood of meeting and moving.

Heyas Occam,

My bad. I should have said "no agreement".

Still, I don't think our MEC will agree to "their" proposal. I just hope we get the arbitrator we're on a first name basis with...which should be all of them, considering how we've funded all of their kid's college educations.

Nu

 

[FDJ2]

think our MEC will agree to "their" proposal. I just hope we get the arbitrator we're on a first name basis with...which should be all of them, considering how we've funded all of their kid's college educations.

Nu

Well there is something to hang your hat on.

Look Nu Guy, no hard feelings. You've got a great airline. Good luck, and all the best in your next contract negotiations. I hope you guys hit a home run.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Look Nu Guy, no hard feelings. You've got a great airline. Good luck, and all the best in your next contract negotiations. I hope you guys hit a home run.

I predict we'll be doing it together.

 

[3ds]

Since we all know about the Golden Share, we know that almost all paths to consolidation lead through MSP.
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Does this mean the nwa pilot group stands in the unusual position of being able to decide on consolidation for the entire industry?

 

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Since we all know about the Golden Share, we know that almost all paths to consolidation lead through MSP.
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Does this mean the nwa pilot group stands in the unusual position of being able to decide on consolidation for the entire industry?

Well, here's what the AJC had to say

Baker, the author of the JP Morgan report, tells the Journal-Constitution he still expects a Delta-NWA merger to move ahead. He calculates pilots will get about $350 million in annual pay raises and other incentives if the merger is consummated. "For Northwest pilots in particular, [the merger deal] would be positive, in our view," he says. "Although labor has acted self-destructively before, we see no reason for deal derailment at this late hour."

But not everyone agrees. Minneapolis attorney Ralph Strangis represented US Airways in its proposed (but unsuccessful) merger attempt with United in 2001. He tells the Star Tribune he gives a Delta-NWA merger "no better than 50-50 odds." He adds: "In a perfect world, everybody would understand this is the right thing to do and get it done. But I'm not going to be optimistic that it will be done."

Ralph may just be right.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Better for the membership, yes. But the political angels of each MEC's nature may whisper: "Better a horrible deal blamed on the arbitrator than a semi-horrible deal blamed on us." :bomb:

Tom Goodman. In my opinion, this nugget of wisdom should be quoted somewhere in the preface of "Flying the Line 3: The Final Years".

I've never seen wiser words on this board. Kudos on your perspective.

 

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Arbitration?

Sounds like a pilot taking his hands off the controls, letting the jet crash, then pleading that they were not responsible.

Poof ... and like that, $2,000,000,000.00, work rules and ALPA's leadership ... vanishes. Now we are in the hands of management and arbitrators who have never untied the first rope off a Cessna.

I can not see political wisdom there. Instead, ALPA becomes irrelevant, labor begins fighting itself again.

As an ALPA supporter it is disappointing to see us throw our fate to an outside party because we are incapable of being reasonable. At the core of this issue, ALPA National lacks the vision, leadership and power structure to compel a big MEC to do anything. I cite USAPA as a prime example of the result of a rogue MEC. We will see how history plays out, but don't we all see the similarities thus far?

 

[FDJ2]

I predict we'll be doing it together.

More of a reason to hit that home run.