What do RJET pilots think happens after RJET SLI?

[BUDDHA145]

it won't happen. Us Lynx guys, the Frontier guys, and the Midwest guys are up for fighting these *kers in management. The Republic/Shuttle/Chq guys don't care, as long as "they have jobs". Because after all, that's all that matters right now. Republic pilots are spineless and will sell all of us Lynx guys down the river so long as they don't have to worry about losing their jobs. :angryfire

This is so far far from the truth!!!

 

[BUDDHA145]

You're going to need a fund but it sure isn't going to be for a strike. Minimum 4 years to get a contract and no way this cluster of a company can stay in business that long.

Why?? got any insider credible info??

 

[likeitis]

Why?? got any insider credible info??

Inside info isn't needed. It's called following this industry for 40 years. Now that Menke is gone, there isn't anyone with any experience running a airline. Odds are weighted heavily in favor of it's failure.

 

[En Mort Main]

Hasn't CHQ been in business some odd 30years. But i guess they're not an airline?
Can someone define what an airline is...i was under the assumption RP/S5/RW were airlines.
Are they not airlines because they have turned profits every year......
..shrug...

En Mort Main

 

[likeitis]

Hasn't CHQ been in business some odd 30years. But i guess they're not an airline?
Can someone define what an airline is...i was under the assumption RP/S5/RW were airlines.
Are they not airlines because they have turned profits every year......
..shrug...

En Mort Main

They are an outsource lift provider. Up until they merged with YX and F9 they never had to market, buy fuel, route plan, sell tickets or anything an airline would do. Who couldn't make a profit if most of your costs are fixed?

 

[ABC123]

And yet it is the S5 and the CHQ profit paying off the F9 debt. There is a reason we are called the cash cow

 

[CitationLover]

How so? Any details?

Read the proposals on the MEH ALPA site. Look at how FAPA's proposal treats its furloughees then look at the MEH ALPA one and how it differs (ie sells them under the bus). There is a long thread on our ALPA forum about it.

 

[StaySeated]

And yet it is the S5 and the CHQ profit paying off the F9 debt. There is a reason we are called the cash cow

Lets try something new and actually discuss this as gentlemen.

There is an infinite amount of publicly available information that conflicts with your statement above.

It is very important that we all get on the same page here. The fee for departure side of the operation is not "paying off" anything.

I am not sure what you mean by "F9 debt", but I assume that you are referring to operational p&l. F9 CASM was sub 6 cents until Republic started flying dozens of orphaned 37-70 seat aircraft that no longer had a home on a fee for departure CPA. CASM shot above 10 cents the first quarter after the branded ops inherited the small rj's. This is the exact reason that RJET is now rushing to obtain as many 320's and 190's as possible. The number of markets that can support a 50 seat aircraft is vastly smaller than the number of 50 seat rj's currently being serviced by the RJET balance sheet.


Republic HAD a very successful fee for departure operation. They were also one of the first to realize that the business model that afforded their growth and success during the 90's and early 00's was NOT going to be the model for future success.

RJET does not have a "cash cow" today. They actually have a cash problem. The golden goose has definitely laid its last egg, and the branded side needs to get its sh1t together or we are all going to be on the street.

The sooner all of us realize the mess we are in, the better.

 

[Propsync]

Any thought of F9 getting sold back out to the other Airbus operators looking to try to survive against the Boeing operator?

Hey CL- I heard the YX proposal was something else. Can that be attributed to the newer, senior MEC not really caring about those furloughed?

 

[StaySeated]

Any thought of F9 getting sold back out to the other Airbus operators looking to try to survive against the Boeing operator?

Hey CL- I heard the YX proposal was something else. Can that be attributed to the newer, senior MEC not really caring about those furloughed?

RJET could sell the F9 operation for a huge profit (spent $40 million out of pocket, estimated value more than $300 million), but that would imply that they are getting out of the airline business.

The only aircraft that RAH is taking delivery of going forward is 100 seat and larger (190, 195, Cseries if it makes it off the drawing board, and airbus). None of their CPA agreements allow for the operation of aircraft this size.

I would imagine that some form of transaction will take place, but I doubt it will be the sale of the branded operation to another carrier. I think they are going to try and create a niche that doesn't really exist yet today.

 

[UALX727]

Not trying to change the subject....real quick can anyone tell me the number to call to list for a jumpseat on Republic for an off-line pilot? thx

 

[SizzleChest]

Not trying to change the subject....real quick can anyone tell me the number to call to list for a jumpseat on Republic for an off-line pilot? thx

not available to do that..... just show up at the gate an hour prior.

 

[SizzleChest]

Lets try something new and actually discuss this as gentlemen.

There is an infinite amount of publicly available information that conflicts with your statement above.

It is very important that we all get on the same page here. The fee for departure side of the operation is not "paying off" anything.

I am not sure what you mean by "F9 debt", but I assume that you are referring to operational p&l. F9 CASM was sub 6 cents until Republic started flying dozens of orphaned 37-70 seat aircraft that no longer had a home on a fee for departure CPA. CASM shot above 10 cents the first quarter after the branded ops inherited the small rj's. This is the exact reason that RJET is now rushing to obtain as many 320's and 190's as possible. The number of markets that can support a 50 seat aircraft is vastly smaller than the number of 50 seat rj's currently being serviced by the RJET balance sheet.


Republic HAD a very successful fee for departure operation. They were also one of the first to realize that the business model that afforded their growth and success during the 90's and early 00's was NOT going to be the model for future success.

RJET does not have a "cash cow" today. They actually have a cash problem. The golden goose has definitely laid its last egg, and the branded side needs to get its sh1t together or we are all going to be on the street.

The sooner all of us realize the mess we are in, the better.

The rush to obtain aircraft is because the loads didn't fall down as much as anticipated and 318s were returned for parts. they need planes ASAP to deal with loads. Had a F9 guy in the j/s a few days ago....

 

[FSIGRAD]

They are an outsource lift provider. Up until they merged with YX and F9 they never had to market, buy fuel, route plan, sell tickets or anything an airline would do. Who couldn't make a profit if most of your costs are fixed?

Actually they did do all this with Mookelle in HI. It didn't end up working out and it was not a big operation but maybe they learned something?

 

[StaySeated]

The rush to obtain aircraft is because the loads didn't fall down as much as anticipated and 318s were returned for parts. they need planes ASAP to deal with loads. Had a F9 guy in the j/s a few days ago....

Both parts are wrong.

Advance bookings for the 1st quarter are lower than expected.

Capacity increased in Q2 2010 by 7%.

Capacity increase in Q1 2011 is forcasted to be .5-2%.

Q3 numbers are due in three weeks.

The 318's were not "returned for parts". At least one 318 was parted out, while others were most definitely prepped and re-leased to other carriers.

The reason behind the rush to obtain "larger" aircraft is as follows:

"We also continue to be somewhat opportunistic with our fleet portfolio. Our goal is to increase our average seat density and get the efficiency from that and as an example that's why we're removing four 318s and one A70 from the brand of fleets in September. And these aircrafts will be replaced during the first half of 2011 by six new A320 aircraft as Hal mentioned. The effect of this change along with the Q400 retirements is that we expect our capacity growth in Q4 to be in the range of 1.5% to 3% in the Frontier business. And in Q1 2011 we actually expect our capacity by the business to full year be 0.5% and 2%. The additional of A320s next year allows us to continue to reduce unit cost in the branded network and the Denver have in particular further wide into our unit cost advantage over both of our hub competitors.
We're going to be making some significant seasonal changes to Milwaukee hub schedule in November that we believe will further improve our competitive position in this market. We're going base additional A319s in the Milwaukee to operate services into the big three northeast business markets of Boston, New York and Washington. And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."


Daniel Shurz - VP, Planning and Strategy
Q2 2010 Conference Call

 

[ABC123]

And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."

And yet the CHQ 135's and 145's have the most flights for F9 in and out of MKE.

The company forgets, if it was not for CHQ/TCF and RAH, Frontier and Midwest could never have been purchased.

Frontier cancelled our 170 contract and Republic employeees were furloughed due to 16 grounded 170's, and yet the Frontier people walk around has if they are better than us...Wise up, you are part of Republic, not better, but equal to the rest of us

 

[A320kid]

And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."

And yet the CHQ 135's and 145's have the most flights for F9 in and out of MKE.

The company forgets, if it was not for CHQ/TCF and RAH, Frontier and Midwest could never have been purchased.

Frontier cancelled our 170 contract and Republic employeees were furloughed due to 16 grounded 170's, and yet the Frontier people walk around has if they are better than us...Wise up, you are part of Republic, not better, but equal to the rest of us

Sorry to break the news to you but EVERY F9 pilot is better than any one of you guys. RAH pilots have a diluted mentality that you are equals because you fly the E190. I hate to break it to you but those guys flying 50 seats for Skywest make more than you. You are all commuter pilots who need to realize it will be years before you ever see the mainline side and thats if BB doesn't sell the FFD side before then.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Sorry to break the news to you but EVERY F9 pilot is better than any one of you guys. RAH pilots have a diluted mentality that you are equals because you fly the E190. I hate to break it to you but those guys flying 50 seats for Skywest make more than you. You are all commuter pilots who need to realize it will be years before you ever see the mainline side and thats if BB doesn't sell the FFD side before then.

Ha ha. His one and only post. Flamebait.

 

[chqflyer]

Ha ha. His one and only post. Flamebait.

I don't necessarily think it's total flamebait. There is a kernel of truth to it. F9 guys have all done the commuter pilot thing and have moved on to a real airline. It is somewhat insulting to demean that accomplishment by insinuating they are on the same level as a bunch of RJ pilots with nowhere nearly the same qualifications.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I may be a 145 pilot, but i'm still a pilot. Mainline, corporate, military, or regional, we all face the same challenge in some form or another. Don't die and don't kill anybody else. Only fools walk around toting the size of their paychecks, rank, or equipment. In the end it means nothing if you don't walk away from the flightline without screwing the pooch.