US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[JetMonkey]

I don't believe the bypass rate is that high on the west.. At least not for now. We're talking about people coming back to 5th and 6th year pay. Your not gonna see too many pass that up in this economy.

 

[psw757]

Cp's office informed me that the bypass rate is running about 50% both sides. I hear what your saying about pay but there are quite a few that have found other employment over the past 2 years flying and non flying. WHy would someone come back on the first call if they have found stable and decent paying employment elsewhere???? Not saying they won't ever return but if you have been lucky to find a decent job, why not wait it out a bit and see how this all pans out?

 

[LaGarbage Man]

For my classmates who are keeping count. I just got off the phone with Flt. Ops. They called to acknowledge my recall acceptance and she informed me that she is waiting for three more people to respond to the second letter. If one of the three declines recall then I am in the Sept. 6th class, so it is not official yet. I knew it would be very close for a class size of 20.

 

[Dornier 335]

q about bypass

What's the situation like it too many people bypass? Will they call the people that they hired in '08 but never got a class date?

 

[dugan jones]

just got a phone call to tell me i'm in the sept 6th class. will be in CLT for the indoc and everything

 

[JAB31]

just got a phone call to tell me i'm in the sept 6th class. will be in CLT for the indoc and everything

Congrats on your recall!

I am hoping I get the second class in Oct. I sit in the low 30's out of the 40 (east) to be recalled. I doubt I would be able to make the cut for the 9/6 class. Do you know how many bypassed first time 'round on the East so far? Also, how long is indoc? I assume we have to do a full 190 g/s too?

Thnx!

 

[dugan jones]

Congrats on your recall!

I am hoping I get the second class in Oct. I sit in the low 30's out of the 40 (east) to be recalled. I doubt I would be able to make the cut for the 9/6 class. Do you know how many bypassed first time 'round on the East so far? Also, how long is indoc? I assume we have to do a full 190 g/s too?

Thnx!

she said indoc is a week in CLT so i assume 5 days M-F. not sure how many have bypassed, maybe half so i wouldn't be suprised if it got down to you! i think with the length of time we were out it will be a full ground school. will be my 4th full ground school on this plane! uke:

 

[LittleDeuce]

November 2010 Bid Results

To all the US Airways recalls;

The November 2010 bid is out. There are 39 E190 First Officer vacancies
in PHL.

 

[5w5flyer]

To all the US Airways recalls;

The November 2010 bid is out. There are 39 E190 First Officer vacancies
in PHL.

So what does this mean? Is this the 40 recalls announced, or are these additional positions?

 

[LittleDeuce]

Recalls

So what does this mean? Is this the 40 recalls announced, or are these additional positions?

These are the vacancies that the current 40 recalls announced will fill. I just wanted everybody to know there are no group 2 slots. Lots of current E190 F/Os are moving up to group 2.

 

[Mr Hat]

Congrats to the recalls. How long do you think til they are all recalled and they have to start hiring new hires? Just curious....

 

[psw757]

Just thinking out loud here but if you look at the original bid announcement there were quite a few more vacancies listed than they are filling on this bid. If you look at overall vacancies and subtract the reductions, even after the 40 e190 are subtracted from the vacancies, there are still like 50 unfilled positions. I'm think they will put out a bid for december since this was just a one month bid and I'm thinking the next bid should have group 2 on it. A few others have noticed this as well.

 

[Crzipilot]

Had someone that knows a bit about this on flight the other day. Didn't go into it, but his comment, made me think they simply dumped all empty positions onto the 190 and left it there. So what PSW says about other empty positions in the near future makes sense. Sorta like, hiding positions for those that are senior who may come back in another month or so.

I.E. to avoid the backlash of how they handled previous recalls......when the company picked and choosed what positions were available for bid by class date, even though there were a number of vacancies on all equipment types.. This way there is no question, you come back as a 190 f/o, no matter. Future bid, when they figure out next months staffing will show some of those other vacancies. The other hidden meaning is, reserves on group II gonna be short for the rest of the year, with training float etc etc...

 

[psw757]

Had someone that knows a bit about this on flight the other day. Didn't go into it, but his comment, made me think they simply dumped all empty positions onto the 190 and left it there. So what PSW says about other empty positions in the near future makes sense. Sorta like, hiding positions for those that are senior who may come back in another month or so.

I.E. to avoid the backlash of how they handled previous recalls......when the company picked and choosed what positions were available for bid by class date, even though there were a number of vacancies on all equipment types.. This way there is no question, you come back as a 190 f/o, no matter. Future bid, when they figure out next months staffing will show some of those other vacancies. The other hidden meaning is, reserves on group II gonna be short for the rest of the year, with training float etc etc...

If the bid vacancy numbers are true then there are about 60 more vacancies in the coming months. Even if every east furlough came back, this would bring em all back and then some. Hopefully it works out this way.

 

[JAB31]

Will the recalls be seat-locked on the E-190 for a year -even if we ALREADY did the one year on it prior to furlough? I assume there is a one year seat lock. Just curious...I am just happy to be going back! Sorry if this was addressed already.

Thanks!

 

[Crzipilot]

gotta check the contract, but I believe, depending on the what you come back on etc etc, seat locks don't apply. depends on where you got furloughed from and where your coming back to etc....

 

[Dornier 335]

If the bid vacancy numbers are true then there are about 60 more vacancies in the coming months. Even if every east furlough came back, this would bring em all back and then some. Hopefully it works out this way.

I don't understand, where is the pilot demand all of a sudden coming from? When do you estimate that they will have called all the furloughed pilots back?

 

[JetMonkey]

Once all east furloughes who want to return do so. If there's any west pilots still on furlough then any slots that open up east must be offered to them first..

 

[JAB31]

I don't understand, where is the pilot demand all of a sudden coming from? When do you estimate that they will have called all the furloughed pilots back?

When does all the attrition start picking up? Is 500+ retirements accurate within the next 2 years?

 

[Turtle21]

When does all the attrition start picking up? Is 500+ retirements accurate within the next 2 years?

Yes, but for much longer than two years.

 

[Tweaker]

Uh, there are 0 retirements for the next 2 years. I know there is a thread of some impressive girth on here about that.

Last I saw, there is no year with 500 retirements, but many with 300+. 500 would be 15% of the damned airline. Simma.

 

[JAB31]

Uh, there are 0 retirements for the next 2 years. I know there is a thread of some impressive girth on here about that.

Last I saw, there is no year with 500 retirements, but many with 300+. 500 would be 15% of the damned airline. Simma.

I agree with you! Just seems to be a bunch of fluff about by the end of 2012 there will be 500+ less guys (due to retirements hopefully). I don't see things moving too much until 2013 ish.

 

[zymotic]

There is a training freeze of 12 months on the E-190 regardless of if you flew it before you were furloughed since all recalls will go through a full initial training again.

The first pilots reach 65 in December of 2012. It's pure speculation how many will fly until then. The consensus is attrition will start to pick up before that and guys will start to call in sick more frequently. Here's the numbers for East only that I have:
2012 9
2013 151
2014 212
2015 225
2016 229
2017 241
2018 259
2019 257
2020 242
2021 249
2022 204

 

[WickedPissa]

High 20's seniority guys to be called back could find Sept 6 certified letter soon.

 

[Turtle21]

Who says the list is warped? Oh yeah, the guys who were denied their windfall. A slightly biased group I'd say.

That '17' year guy is just pissed that he can't immediately leverage his bottom fo position into instant captainhood. Go fly a kite.

Oh Stingray, be honest now. The 17 year FO has no desire to immediately take your captain seat. Fact is, they never want to take your captain seat but he does have every intention of keeping you from taking the captain seat from him. Ain't no body gonna watch your FOs slip into a Capt seat for the first time while the 17 year East FO has already been there and has been waiting patiently to get back into the captain seat when his East buddies retire in a year or two.

Oh, yeah.. go fly a kite.

 

[Bringupthebird]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

 

[Turtle21]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

That's why no body is asking for DOH. But you'd have to be honest to admit that.

 

[vetrider]

Oh Stingray, be honest now. The 17 year FO has no desire to immediately take your captain seat. Fact is, they never want to take your captain seat but he does have every intention of keeping you from taking the captain seat from him. Ain't no body gonna watch your FOs slip into a Capt seat for the first time while the 17 year East FO has already been there and has been waiting patiently to get back into the captain seat when his East buddies retire in a year or two.

Oh, yeah.. go fly a kite.

No, they have no desire for my captain seat immediately, just real damn soon. Of course the way bids run, and the ebb and flow of what the company does with bases and fleets, the exhange would most definately take place. Roger the Kite, good one, if I can dish it out I can take it! I like your style there.:beer:

 

[WickedPissa]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

Put in your dues with an airline you plan on spending the rest of your career with, you have expectations. That is what most East guys did/do. Back in 80'/90's/mid 2000's, USAir was a final goal. Guys I know used the west as an alternative (a.k.a. stepping stone) to the majors until their number was called to the majors. That is honest. An East 17 year guy sure as %$# deserves DOH.

 

[WickedPissa]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

I have to quote this twice since it is so nail on the head west mentality. Just read it . It says NIC= only some west upgrades. DOH=east upgrades only......exactly....it is called date of hire. See my new thread.