US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[Mr Hat]

Congrats to the recalls. How long do you think til they are all recalled and they have to start hiring new hires? Just curious....

 

[psw757]

Just thinking out loud here but if you look at the original bid announcement there were quite a few more vacancies listed than they are filling on this bid. If you look at overall vacancies and subtract the reductions, even after the 40 e190 are subtracted from the vacancies, there are still like 50 unfilled positions. I'm think they will put out a bid for december since this was just a one month bid and I'm thinking the next bid should have group 2 on it. A few others have noticed this as well.

 

[Crzipilot]

Had someone that knows a bit about this on flight the other day. Didn't go into it, but his comment, made me think they simply dumped all empty positions onto the 190 and left it there. So what PSW says about other empty positions in the near future makes sense. Sorta like, hiding positions for those that are senior who may come back in another month or so.

I.E. to avoid the backlash of how they handled previous recalls......when the company picked and choosed what positions were available for bid by class date, even though there were a number of vacancies on all equipment types.. This way there is no question, you come back as a 190 f/o, no matter. Future bid, when they figure out next months staffing will show some of those other vacancies. The other hidden meaning is, reserves on group II gonna be short for the rest of the year, with training float etc etc...

 

[psw757]

Had someone that knows a bit about this on flight the other day. Didn't go into it, but his comment, made me think they simply dumped all empty positions onto the 190 and left it there. So what PSW says about other empty positions in the near future makes sense. Sorta like, hiding positions for those that are senior who may come back in another month or so.

I.E. to avoid the backlash of how they handled previous recalls......when the company picked and choosed what positions were available for bid by class date, even though there were a number of vacancies on all equipment types.. This way there is no question, you come back as a 190 f/o, no matter. Future bid, when they figure out next months staffing will show some of those other vacancies. The other hidden meaning is, reserves on group II gonna be short for the rest of the year, with training float etc etc...

If the bid vacancy numbers are true then there are about 60 more vacancies in the coming months. Even if every east furlough came back, this would bring em all back and then some. Hopefully it works out this way.

 

[JAB31]

Will the recalls be seat-locked on the E-190 for a year -even if we ALREADY did the one year on it prior to furlough? I assume there is a one year seat lock. Just curious...I am just happy to be going back! Sorry if this was addressed already.

Thanks!

 

[Crzipilot]

gotta check the contract, but I believe, depending on the what you come back on etc etc, seat locks don't apply. depends on where you got furloughed from and where your coming back to etc....

 

[Dornier 335]

If the bid vacancy numbers are true then there are about 60 more vacancies in the coming months. Even if every east furlough came back, this would bring em all back and then some. Hopefully it works out this way.

I don't understand, where is the pilot demand all of a sudden coming from? When do you estimate that they will have called all the furloughed pilots back?

 

[JetMonkey]

Once all east furloughes who want to return do so. If there's any west pilots still on furlough then any slots that open up east must be offered to them first..

 

[JAB31]

I don't understand, where is the pilot demand all of a sudden coming from? When do you estimate that they will have called all the furloughed pilots back?

When does all the attrition start picking up? Is 500+ retirements accurate within the next 2 years?

 

[Turtle21]

When does all the attrition start picking up? Is 500+ retirements accurate within the next 2 years?

Yes, but for much longer than two years.

 

[Tweaker]

Uh, there are 0 retirements for the next 2 years. I know there is a thread of some impressive girth on here about that.

Last I saw, there is no year with 500 retirements, but many with 300+. 500 would be 15% of the damned airline. Simma.

 

[JAB31]

Uh, there are 0 retirements for the next 2 years. I know there is a thread of some impressive girth on here about that.

Last I saw, there is no year with 500 retirements, but many with 300+. 500 would be 15% of the damned airline. Simma.

I agree with you! Just seems to be a bunch of fluff about by the end of 2012 there will be 500+ less guys (due to retirements hopefully). I don't see things moving too much until 2013 ish.

 

[zymotic]

There is a training freeze of 12 months on the E-190 regardless of if you flew it before you were furloughed since all recalls will go through a full initial training again.

The first pilots reach 65 in December of 2012. It's pure speculation how many will fly until then. The consensus is attrition will start to pick up before that and guys will start to call in sick more frequently. Here's the numbers for East only that I have:
2012 9
2013 151
2014 212
2015 225
2016 229
2017 241
2018 259
2019 257
2020 242
2021 249
2022 204

 

[WickedPissa]

High 20's seniority guys to be called back could find Sept 6 certified letter soon.

 

[Turtle21]

Who says the list is warped? Oh yeah, the guys who were denied their windfall. A slightly biased group I'd say.

That '17' year guy is just pissed that he can't immediately leverage his bottom fo position into instant captainhood. Go fly a kite.

Oh Stingray, be honest now. The 17 year FO has no desire to immediately take your captain seat. Fact is, they never want to take your captain seat but he does have every intention of keeping you from taking the captain seat from him. Ain't no body gonna watch your FOs slip into a Capt seat for the first time while the 17 year East FO has already been there and has been waiting patiently to get back into the captain seat when his East buddies retire in a year or two.

Oh, yeah.. go fly a kite.

 

[Bringupthebird]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

 

[Turtle21]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

That's why no body is asking for DOH. But you'd have to be honest to admit that.

 

[vetrider]

Oh Stingray, be honest now. The 17 year FO has no desire to immediately take your captain seat. Fact is, they never want to take your captain seat but he does have every intention of keeping you from taking the captain seat from him. Ain't no body gonna watch your FOs slip into a Capt seat for the first time while the 17 year East FO has already been there and has been waiting patiently to get back into the captain seat when his East buddies retire in a year or two.

Oh, yeah.. go fly a kite.

No, they have no desire for my captain seat immediately, just real damn soon. Of course the way bids run, and the ebb and flow of what the company does with bases and fleets, the exhange would most definately take place. Roger the Kite, good one, if I can dish it out I can take it! I like your style there.:beer:

 

[WickedPissa]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

Put in your dues with an airline you plan on spending the rest of your career with, you have expectations. That is what most East guys did/do. Back in 80'/90's/mid 2000's, USAir was a final goal. Guys I know used the west as an alternative (a.k.a. stepping stone) to the majors until their number was called to the majors. That is honest. An East 17 year guy sure as %$# deserves DOH.

 

[WickedPissa]

If you want to be honest, why not go right to the Nic list and see which pilots are in line for an upgrade. Is it exclusively west pilots? No. But under DOH it would be exclusively east pilots for many years.

If you want to be honest.

I have to quote this twice since it is so nail on the head west mentality. Just read it . It says NIC= only some west upgrades. DOH=east upgrades only......exactly....it is called date of hire. See my new thread.