To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[Fly2AK]

Blocking the jumpseat will only hurt pilots on both sides of the fence, probably UAX pilots more. Most express flights become weight restricted anyhow during bad weather, so are the UAX pilots going to force their management to make the jumpseat part of the BOW? A lot of jumpseaters are left behind on a express flight due to weight, how often does that happen on a mainline flight? extremely rare. I commuted for 6 years and never had a problem with a mainline flight but when it came to express I have been left behind for weight. Should the UAL pilots ban UAX pilots from the JS anytime when there is weather and we are carrying an alternate?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I am afraid that the UAX "kids" are too busy jamming to the tunes on the IPOD.

I feel sorry for the PROFESSIONAL UAX pilots who can see that the letter was really in bad taste.

 

[Poahi]

This is a company issue, what do the UAL pilots have to do about this glitch, did we create it?.

I'm on your side here. I was asking because some of the UAX folks claim that's what the UAL pilots wanted. It was a simple question. I'll take it as a no.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I'm on your side here. I was asking because some of the UAX folks claim that's what the UAL pilots wanted. It was a simple question. I'll take it as a no.

UAL pilots didn't vote on this, or want to have priority on UAX over other UAX pilots. Our gate agents at UAL....plain SUCK! however we at UAL get around this by being PROACTIVE and making sure WE DEAL with the jumpseat not the GATE AGENTS. I have helped MANY UAX guys get on the J/S to get in and out of Hawaii...and sometimes I had to get CREATIVE!

 

[skyslug]

I commute and have been bumped off the JS twice on Skywest by...*gasp*...a SKYWEST pilot! This was recent (within the last 3 months).

Plus I would fully expect to get bumped off a UAX flight by their own pilots. And if that were not bad enough IF for some reason I ended up bumping a UAX pilot off their own flight and I knew it was happening... I'd willingly volunteer the js to the UAX pilot!!

Each airline's respective pilots should always have priority. I can't think of another UAL person who feels differently.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

For the record...as a Captain at SkyW...and I speak for many of my colleagues here; nobody from United will be denied a jumpseat.

However I would appreciate it if the "down-talking" of us RJ guys would stop. We did not destroy the industry as many of you like to tell us we did. We're all a product of our own environment.

Guess you don't commute.
PBR

 

[Poahi]

UAL pilots didn't vote on this, or want to have priority on UAX over other UAX pilots. !

I can't tell you how much we appreciate it. I'm working with as many as I can to make sure we police this thing so no UAL pilot misses a flight. Clearly our leadership is out of step with the majority.

I dont' know what happened with this whole thing except that there is serious dissent within our own leadership over this.

 

[skyslug]

I commute and have been bumped off the JS twice on Skywest by...*gasp*...a SKYWEST pilot! This was recent (within the last 3 months).

Plus I would fully expect to get bumped off a UAX flight by their own pilots. And if that were not bad enough IF for some reason I ended up bumping a UAX pilot off their own flight and I knew it was happening... I'd willingly volunteer the js to the UAX pilot!!

Each airline's respective pilots should always have priority. I can't think of another UAL person who feels differently.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

For the record...as a Captain at SkyW...and I speak for many of my colleagues here; nobody from United will be denied a jumpseat.

However I would appreciate it if the "down-talking" of us RJ guys would stop. We did not destroy the industry as many of you like to tell us we did. We're all a product of our own environment.

Guess you don't commute.
PBR

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I can't tell you how much we appreciate it. I'm working with as many as I can to make sure we police this thing so no UAL pilot misses a flight. Clearly our leadership is out of step with the majority.

I dont' know what happened with this whole thing except that there is serious dissent within our own leadership over this.

No worries, I am sure it will work out in the end. The story will become PUBLIC and the guys reponsible for this GARBAGE will more then likely NEVER get a J/S on UAL again. (the guys who dreamed up the letter and the THREAT)

We (UAL GUYS) know that not all the UAX bubba's support this attitude.

 

[imacdog]

Sonny, second time I have asked. Why not get the glitch fixed?

 

[skypine69]

The average UAL line pilot has no idea what the UAL JSC has been up to in the last 1-2 years.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Sonny, second time I have asked. Why not get the glitch fixed?

MEC Jumpseat Comm. Reminder on UAX Carrier Jumpseat Situation
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]MEC Jumpseat Committee Chairman Captain Bob Spadea would like to advise all United pilots that commute on our UAX carriers that you may be receiving a letter from the respective carrier's Jumpseat Committee the next time you request a jumpseat from the captain. In summary, this letter issues an ultimatum to the UALMEC and the Jumpseat Committee to resolve several jumpseat issues pertaining to computer programming software that sorts UAX pilots for jumpseats on UAX flights. According to the letter, if these problems are not resolved by July 31, 2008, jumpseats will be DENIED to United pilots. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]The aforementioned problems have been identified and cannot be easily resolved due to the magnitude of the UAX operation. Some of these issues require software rewrites, manpower assignments and additional funding. In a series of face-to-face meetings between your Jumpseat Committee and the UAX jumpseat members, the parties were made fully aware of the complexity of these problems. They were also made aware of the limited resources, limited manpower and funds needed to correct these problems.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Your Jumpseat Committee is working with UA flight operations and UA management to inquire as to what alternatives can be implemented in resolving these problems. Keep in mind that we will not allow any carrier to use the jumpseat as a bargaining chip or leverage in meeting demands or forcing policies. In issuing this ultimatum to our MEC, these UAX carriers are 100% responsible for any consequences that may result from their course of action.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]The UALMEC Jumpseat Committee will update you as appropriate. [/FONT]



Sorry I didn't "JUMP" for you the last time you asked, but IF YOU READ THE ABOVE YOUR ANSWER YOU WILL FIND.

 

[skypine69]

well according to the UAX guys who have been in these meetings, the CS people said that it is an easy fix. Who are we to believe, people that fly the planes, or people that work on the computers?

 

[imacdog]

I'm willing to bet any mid-level college student could fix the software in a couple hours tops.

 

[skypine69]

why is it when the UAL JSC "requests" that all the UAX carriers adjust their JS priority it is a professional courtesy,( and when they did not get what they want, they changed the priority system on their own) but when the UAX carriers request a simple fix to the software, it is a war?

 

[bmpilot2003]

1. CS said it was an easy fix during meetings between the JSCs

2. If the UAL MEC can provide proof that its either to costly to fix, or there is not enough man power to rectify the problem the UAX carriers would back down.

Its clear that in official communications between the JSCs that UAX carriers did not agree with the UAL JSC and were subsequently moved from "K" to "L" priority because they did not agree with the UAL JSC taking priority over all UAX jumpseats . The priority shift gave TSA and Go-Jets priority over Skywest, Mesa, and Chitacqua(sp) on their jumpseats. The change in priority was made in a month or two. Which is why i too believe that it will not take significant money or man power to redo the priorites of the carriers.

Giving Go-jets and TSA priorty over skywest, mesa, and chitacqua on their own aircraft is just not right. I trust individual United pilots when it comes to jumpseat issues and allowing pilots priority own their aircraft. But if Go-jets is at the gate too, i dont trust them further than i could throw them. I'm also not to trusting of TSA now either since they obviously don't have a problem with stealing proity of the jumpseat.

 

[Newpilot2b]

Hey ALPO fix the problem! what 2% of pilot pay isn't enough? For Gods sack we launched men to the Moon and Back 39 years ago with a computer that is about is smart as your cell phone.
Stop the Bit#%ing you Liberal Obama Supprts and CHANGE the program. (the letter got your attention didn't?!? that was the whole point suckaaaa)

 

[IBNAV8R]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]"The aforementioned problems have been identified and cannot be easily resolved due to the magnitude of the UAX operation. Some of these issues require software rewrites, manpower assignments and additional funding. In a series of face-to-face meetings between your Jumpseat Committee and the UAX jumpseat members, the parties were made fully aware of the complexity of these problems. They were also made aware of the limited resources, limited manpower and funds needed to correct these problems."

Funny. Seems there were plenty of funds available to make the recent changes to UAX priorities, i.e., K1 - Go-Jets, TSA; K2 SKW, et al.; L - Mesa, et al.

Seems everyone here agrees what the priority SHOULD be. All this hubbub, then, is over a few keystrokes to change the software to what we all agree is right.

So, after approaching UAL MGT and UALPA MEC over such a length of time; And basically been told by both to piss-off; [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]I'm curious to know what other diplomatic measures might be suggested.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]
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[Shrek]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]"The aforementioned problems have been identified and cannot be easily resolved due to the magnitude of the UAX operation. Some of these issues require software rewrites, manpower assignments and additional funding. In a series of face-to-face meetings between your Jumpseat Committee and the UAX jumpseat members, the parties were made fully aware of the complexity of these problems. They were also made aware of the limited resources, limited manpower and funds needed to correct these problems."[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Funny. Seems there were plenty of funds available to make the recent changes to UAX priorities, i.e., K1 - Go-Jets, TSA; K2 SKW, et al.; L - Mesa, et al.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Seems everyone here agrees what the priority SHOULD be. All this hubbub, then, is over a few keystrokes to change the software to what we all agree is right.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]So, after approaching UAL MGT and UALPA MEC over such a length of time; And basically been told by both to piss-off; [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]I'm curious to know what other diplomatic measures might be suggested.[/FONT]

Now when exactly did the UALMEC tell you to piss off then?

This would not of helped anybody if this would have gone forward. It already has gotten some blood to boil over at UAL.

Remember - if you are in a fight with your wife and you "win" the argument but don't get punani for a week......did you really win?