SWAPA/ALPA negotiate settlement

[Andy]

What are you, anyway, a March 2010 hire? You have a whopping 14 months on the line at AAI, and you're the expert. :laugh:

Wow. How many of the last 14 months have you been on the line at AAI?

 

[luv2fly]

Ty,

Do you really believe you guys "proposed" ---"about 250" captain seats? And, you really think that SWA balked at the training cost? I am sorry, but you guys are thinking on the wrong scale. You need to think on the scale of 6000 pilots. We have over 250 Captain training events every month! We have over 250 Captain qualified First Officers ready to fill those slots, requiring no training. So quit spewing your BS!

 

[Nindiri]

Any updates out of Dallas? Some of the SWA pilots posting here this weekend were saying that SWAPA would not negotiate in good faith. Hopefully it was just a few malcontents, and SWAPA has more integrity than that, but it would help to get some good news from Dallas.

 

[Nindiri]

Actually, the proper name is....Mexico.

:beer:

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I hope the AT MC has the guts to put this on the table. I know it would pass. It just seems the logical way to come together without hurting each others' feelings. Sure the angry 12 would complain about it, but who the f%&k cares. they had their day 2 weeks ago.

MJ, is that you?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Ty,

We have over 250 Captain training events every month!

PT/PC is not a Captain training event. Just a recurrent. No one can put out 250 fresh captains a month. You got 14 sims running 24 hours a day? because that's what it would take.

Actually more than 14, or no one would take recurrent checkrides that month.

 

[titan1]

If you want to make posts against your own team, Tokyo Joe, perhaps you ought to get your facts straight.

We did propose giving up some junior CA seats, about 250 of them. SWA management did not want that to happen because of all of the training events it would trigger, as displaced 737 CA bid 717CA, displaced 717CA bid 737FO, etc.

What are you, anyway, a March 2010 hire? You have a whopping 14 months on the line at AAI, and you're the expert. :laugh:

I like it! Sitt 'n' back and havin a bhruski! Enjoying the ride watching tranny self destruct! Pop, there goes another AAhhhh!!!

 

[titan1]

And in 2 weeks, you'll once again post "Wow. Just wow." followed by "It's ON.". Then the same posted in Nov once the Arby's menu is printed.

"Juan" Valdez is a joke! Step down "my friend"!

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Some of the SWA pilots posting here this weekend were saying that SWAPA would not negotiate in good faith.

i'll bite.
who said that and where?

 

[luv2fly]

Ty,

We have over 250 Captain training events every month!

PT/PC is not a Captain training event. Just a recurrent. No one can put out 250 fresh captains a month. You got 14 sims running 24 hours a day? because that's what it would take.

Actually more than 14, or no one would take recurrent checkrides that month.

I said training events, not Captain upgrade.

 

[Nindiri]

There really isn't any "negotiating" going on anymore. The sides are meeting and some "offers" may cross the table, but nothing will happen. Swapa is done giving and the Tran boys are feeling too entitled. It will go to arbitration, period. The only remaining question is what will GK do? I have a pretty good idea it will not be what the AirTran pilots want to have happen. We shall see. To bad it's going to crash and burn when it could have been a very successful acquisition.

Among others, that was just a couple of days ago, CaptWidgeon. If SWAPA is "really" not going to negotiate, why did they invite the AT team back to Dallas for further negotiations? That is not bargaining in good faith.

 

[luv2fly]

Nindiri,

I think you are confusing yourself. The AT MC already agreed to a deal. The MEC, who by the way directs the MC, decided to vote no. So who is negotiating in bad faith?

 

[obadie]

Nindri your misinformed!

Yes, they definitely promised a staple or near-staple. It's not exactly a secret, it's been in the news and was even discussed on the SWA pilots' own message board.

I don't understand why SWAPA made that promise. Surely they knew that SWA pilots would expect them to follow through with it.

Your obviously a Troll. Your above statement is completely FALSE!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Nindiri,

I think you are confusing yourself. The AT MC already agreed to a deal. The MEC, who by the way directs the MC, decided to vote no. So who is negotiating in bad faith?

Again, someone who has NO idea of how NC/MC/MEC relationships in negotiations work.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

 

[Nindiri]

Sorry, obadie, but the staple promise is an established fact. That's why the junior SWA pilots were so angry that the proposed SLI was not a complete staple. You can read about it on your own SWA pilots' message board.