SWAPA/ALPA negotiate settlement

[Nindiri]

JJ and Nidi are trolls.

You're making their day.

Gup

Nope, not a troll. I've been very polite here when discussing the integration, and have never made it personal. On the other hand, SWA pilots on this board have called me dishonest and a moron, and even threatened me.

 

[On Your Six]

No anger here, redflyer, just surprise that SWAPA would paint itself into such a corner. Clearly, they anticipated the AT pilots accepting the near-staple, and are at a loss as to what next. Not good.

Having made this rash promise, they now have an angry group of pilots demanding results. Even the near-staple in the rejected agreement was not enough to satisfy these pilots. A quick read through the threads on here reveals numerous SWA pilots complaining that the proposed agreement was not close enough to a pure staple to satisfy them and they were threatening to vote NO. That being the case, I'm not sure how SWAPA can move towards the middle without a further mutiny.

+1. Godspeed!


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

Nope, not a troll. I've been very polite here when discussing the integration, and have never made it personal. On the other hand, SWA pilots on this board have called me dishonest and a moron, and even threatened me.

You're making things up and insisting they are the true when told they are not.

Therefore, you're either a troll or just a dumbass.

Which is it?

Gup

 

[The Victors]

It's good that both sides are negotiating again, but it looks like arbitration is inevitable. Having already promised a staple to the SWA pilots, I'm not sure how far SWAPA can move away from that promise now without having a mutiny on their hands. I'm really surprised that SWAPA put themselves in this unfortunate position.

There really isn't any "negotiating" going on anymore. The sides are meeting and some "offers" may cross the table, but nothing will happen. Swapa is done giving and the Tran boys are feeling too entitled. It will go to arbitration, period. The only remaining question is what will GK do? I have a pretty good idea it will not be what the AirTran pilots want to have happen. We shall see. To bad it's going to crash and burn when it could have been a very successful acquisition.

 

[Nindiri]

+1. Godspeed!


OYS

Thanks, OYS. Much appreciated.

 

[Nindiri]

You're making things up and insisting they are the true when told they are not.

Therefore, you're either a troll or just a dumbass.

Which is it?

Gup

There you go again, Guppy. Instead of discussing the issue rationally, you once again resort to personal insults. The list of insults and threats from SWA pilots on here continues to grow.

 

[Nindiri]

There really isn't any "negotiating" going on anymore

Are you suggesting that SWAPA is not negotiating in good faith. This would be very disappointing. Not only would it look bad to a mediator or arbitrator, but more importantly, it would speak volumes about the character of the SWAPA negotiating team.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'll be happy to discuss the facts with you but you insist on things that simply didn't happen and refuse to accept the truth as such.

You have to admit it was a clean kill shot though, right?

Gup

 

[redflyer65]

It will go to arbitration, period. The only remaining question is what will GK do? I have a pretty good idea it will not be what the AirTran pilots want to have happen.

Exactly Victors. The Trannies will refuse to believe that Gary will do what he needs to protect his (and Herb's) company. The culture will stay intact. AAI has already basically burned the lottery ticket they were so generously given. They are really in a no-win situation. Demanding more seniority with very little return for turning down the AIP, and the ultimate outcome of a windown of AAI.

And for Juan,

ALPA has lead you down a rabbit hole. There won't be a good outcome unfortunately.

RF

 

[Nindiri]

I'm glad you're willing to discuss it, Guppy, but you need to leave the name-calling to the children.

So what is the status now for SWAPA? Do you think that the SWA pilots will allow them to move off their earlier promise and negotiate something closer to a fair integration? Some of the more senior SWA pilots I've talked with don't seem to think so, and have indicated a certain amount of irritation at SC for turning the whole thing ugly.