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You read SWALife?

I stopped reading that a while back after a calmly-worded reply to all the B.S. I sent was summarily deleted without explanation.

It's Pravda... anything not along party lines gets deleted, which makes it pretty useless for communicating any REAL thoughts and ideas.
 
Let's all calm down here. NOBODY is going to get furloughed. People who are pissed off about stuff throw random crap out all the time; that doesn't make it true or relevant.

Let's look at things rationally: The pain we're going through right now (getting rid of the 717s, shoulder cuts making commuting more difficult, no growth till 15% ROIC, the company generaly tightening the belt, etc) are all efforts by GK to raise our stock price. He's under trememdous pressure by stockholders (his bosses) to do exactly this. With me so far?

What do you suppose would happen to LUV's stock price (and company value, or that matter) if anyone was furloughed here? Especially to the company whose culture is grounded in the fact that no one has ever been furloughed in its history? Especially while we're making money? Especially while other companies are making money and hiring? Get it? Investors would bail like rats from a sinking ship, and the stock would be listed on the penny boards. Perception is as important as anything else in a free market system. Do you not think Gary is aware of this?

GK will do whatever he needs to to boost the stock price. To do that, he needs to make the company look more attractive to investors. Besides tightening our collective belt, it includes buying however many airplanes he needs to (or keeping -300s) to keep everyone employed without wasting any more money on unproductiveness than possible. He is presenting the image that we are strengthing ourselves before we continue growth. Furloughing anyone would destroy those efforts. It would be equivalent to him making a public statement advising people to dump their LUV stock as fast as they can.

Have you guys noticed that nobody, anywhere, is talking about furloughing other than annonymous blowhards on FI? Lighten up, people. Happy new year.

Bubba
 
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SWA717 said:
Milpilot17 is probably another year 1 douc@e bag like the idiot on SWAlife that made is first year pay remarks.
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Yep. All they know is they were told they were going to work for SWA and make all this money, and it was going to be culture this and that. Sort of like a pyramid scheme. Buy my product (737 type) and it will pay off ten fold. And it has been true. But the music stopped. SWA had to buy a developed airline, not a Morris situation. They have been getting talked to ad nauseum about absenteeism and now cost savings on the labor side. Management keeps saying we want to preserve wages, which means they are going after work rules and productivity. Something every AT pilot knew they would. So you see comments like "where's mine?" And shouldn't this be taken out on the AT side? Which it won't, because our costs are under control. The new SWA will be way better than AT, good money, but lacking the opportunity to make insane time and a half. Many will disagree here and online. The result will be retarded comments about AT because their too scared to look in the mirror or fully grasp the situation going forward.
 
SWA Bubba said:
Have you guys noticed that nobody, anywhere, is talking about furloughing other than annonymous blowhards on FI? Lighten up, people. Happy new year.

Bubba
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well here and the swapa board, but that ones even more sensored than SWA's.

Lear, to get around the sensor blocking, write something over the top positive in the first sentence like "LAS rampers rock and do a wonderful job", then tell the world your thoughts, works everytime.
 
Lost said:
Yeah, well, turns out is doesn't just happen. You don't really know our situation or how long we were trying. It was LONG before the announcement. Tell your wife lets wait 5 more years and let this thing smooth out. That would go over like a fart in church.
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Well then, regardless of the work transition woes, I hope your baby comes out healthy, happy and full of joy! They are a lot of work, but they are also a lot of joy and love.
Aloha,
LUV
 
scoreboardII said:
well here and the swapa board, but that ones even more sensored than SWA's.

Lear, to get around the sensor blocking, write something over the top positive in the first sentence like "LAS rampers rock and do a wonderful job", then tell the world your thoughts, works everytime.
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*chuckle* Why does that not surprise me... ;)

Well then, regardless of the work transition woes, I hope your baby comes out healthy, happy and full of joy! They are a lot of work, but they are also a lot of joy and love.
Aloha,
LUV
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Well-said.
 
It's nice to see that dicko and I can agree at least on a rare occasion. ;)
 
717capt said:
Jack, First off Happy New Year to you and all the folks at FI.
I'm not sure which former MKE pilots you have spoken with, but I will share with you this. The LEC chairman, at the MKE domicile, who is now at SW, is a very good friend of mine. He was one of the 8 voting members of the mec and was very much involved and right in the middle of the sli9/10 process. We would speak from time to time during the process and he would share with me a few things that he probably shouldn't have, but nevertheless he did. One of the items he shared with me was that he (Capt LEC rep) and the FO lec rep, polled their respective constituents as to how they should vote on sli 9. Mke was a relatively small base at the time, 100 pilots I think, so it was fairly easy to get input from the pilots. He told me that overwhelmingly the majority of the mke pilots told him and the fo rep to vote no on sli 9 and he also had all the documentation to prove it. I believe the MCO reps did the same thing, but not sure. Lear can probably confirm that.
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Yes, the MCO and MKE reps "polled" their constituents. However, there was a lot of misinformation spread about AIP/SIA #1. The better choice would have been to have 30 days of roadshows with all members of ATN MEC/MC that attended the July 14th Gary Kelly meeting present. Then, pilots actually could have been making an informed decision.

One of the biggest problems on the AirTran side of the house was arbitration expectations. Our dispatchers got DOH minus 4 years in their case from a single NMB arbitrator. Our rampers got DOH minus 2.5 years in their case from a panel of 3 NMB arbitrators. The rampers' arbitration panel was unconvinced our merger was a merger of equals. Hard to achieve DOH or better when an arbitration panel doesn't view your airline as equal to the airline that is acquiring you.

Anyway, SIA #2 the set of documents both pilots groups will continue to operate under. There are some FAT plots that actually did better under SIA #2 both financially and seniority wise (including two ATN MC members).

I can't believe I actually agree with PCL128. I actually don't mind if Gary Kelly takes his sweet old time completing the integration. I like flying my green and white BRJ and the 15 day off, 78 hr guarantee reserve lines.
 
maxblast72 said:
However, there was a lot of misinformation spread about AIP/SIA #1.
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Yes, that is true. The Merger Committee did spread a lot of lies and fear about it.
 
PCL_128 said:
Yes, that is true. The Merger Committee did spread a lot of lies and fear about it.
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So the ATN MEC had the balls to shoot down $100 million in annual pay increases and industry leading fences in the hopes of getting a better seniority list through the arbitration process but didn't have the balls to fire a Merger Committee that was telling lies to their pilots?
 
maxblast72 said:
So the ATN MEC had the balls to shoot down $100 million in annual pay increases and industry leading fences in the hopes of getting a better seniority list through the arbitration process but didn't have the balls to fire a Merger Committee that was telling lies to their pilots?
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Hey, if you're looking for me to defend the MEC, you know that ain't gonna happen. ;)
 
Sorry, you must have me confused with someone else.
 
madjack - has some inside info? Well said Madjack and good summary.
 
Based on the groups that did go to arbitration, you SHOULD be thankful for what you got. But don't thank OSW pilots. We didn't have anything to do with this mess. Thank GK. you might not like the results or the current manning issues, but he gave you better than you would have got from an arbitrator. Ask the mechanics and dispatchers. Either way, Todd, you should refrain from the nastiness you spew on here. Unless one of your Gulf buddies is getting you into Delta or FedEx or whatever. Then I guess you won't have to be concerned with flying with anyone you told to "F#€£ You."
 
Either way, Todd, you should refrain from the nastiness you spew on here. Unless one of your Gulf buddies is getting you into Delta or FedEx or whatever. Then I guess you won't have to be concerned with flying with anyone you told to "F#€£ You."
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Talk about burning bridges. Worst mistake in this business is to burn a bridge and this guy burned them all. With his name well known his only hope is SWA or nothing. And he is going to be one miserable SOB here at SWA. Like he knows, this place sucks!!:rolleyes:
 
CaptAntoineMack said:
Talk about burning bridges. Worst mistake in this business is to burn a bridge and this guy burned them all. With his name well known his only hope is SWA or nothing. And he is going to be one miserable SOB here at SWA. Like he knows, this place sucks!!:rolleyes:
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I hope he gets on with DL or US/AA. His progression up the list will certainly be faster, and he will see the World when he gets tired of the domestic arena....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Kermit,

Where are you coming up with this? Didn't management agree to arbitration in the Process Agreement? Why would management take sides with one side during a merger? That was a big mistake. Again, you guys had front row seats watching two previous mergers, and you followed the WRONG way to do it. Great job!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I hope he gets on with DL or US/AA. His progression up the list will certainly be faster, and he will see the World when he gets tired of the domestic arena....
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When he is 59 years old.
 
SWA/FO said:
When he is 59 years old.
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He'll make it to Captain faster compared to SWA......even at 59. There are tons of 717s coming, and retirements, both of which you lack....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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