SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[PCL_128]

$20 to your charity of choice that you are wrong, the arbitrator will not change the SLI, per the SLI and DR agreements.

Wrong about what? I haven't predicted an outcome. I've just said that it needs to be decided by a neutral, and SWAPA is making fools of themselves trying to prevent or delay that. Whether the outcome from the neutral will be positive or negative for us, I have no idea.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I bet ALPA national cringes when you open your mouth. You make the entire organization look like amateurs.

There is not a valid dispute. You are getting exactly what was agreed to. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[General Lee]

I bet ALPA national cringes when you open your mouth. You make the entire organization look like amateurs.

There is not a valid dispute. You are getting exactly what was agreed to. Nothing more nothing less.

Maybe the AT group is upset that they think the Process Agreement wasn't followed? Just a guess?

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bill Nelson]

The Process Agreement was followed to a T.

An agreement was reached and ratified before mediation or arbitration was required.

 

[General Lee]

The Process Agreement was followed to a T.

An agreement was reached and ratified before mediation or arbitration was required.

Yeah, 83% voted it in, while crying ecstaticly with joy! Such an awesome, fun experience! Don't remind us...... And did that Process Agreement have anything about possible arbitration? Just curious, Bill.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[fletch717]

The Process Agreement was followed to a T.

An agreement was reached and ratified before mediation or arbitration was required.

I can't wait until you guys "reach an agreement" with GK and company. On your new contract I'll be here to remind how you "agreed" to it. Pain is comming, and since I'm already on the Bscale Ill support the companies offer to bring everybody down, so they can be profitable again. Goooo Team, "the golden rule" and all the rest of that culture BS enema I've been receiving.

 

[General Lee]

I can't wait until you guys "reach an agreement" with GK and company. On your new contract I'll be here to remind how you "agreed" to it. Pain is comming, and since I'm already on the Bscale Ill support the companies offer to bring everybody down, so they can be profitable again. Goooo Team, "the golden rule" and all the rest of that culture BS enema I've been receiving.

Support it Fletch as long as they follow the process "to the T...." What you need to worry about is what the Corndogs MAY give up to keep their higher pay. They out number you, and they might not share the same interests as you do. They won't even acknowledge that there is a B scale and that it was allowed, for a few YEARS. Always have pay parity on same equipment. By doing that, you can attempt to alleviate some of the pain of an SLI. But no........


You know, there really is no excuse for this from the Corndogs. They had the ability to watch two different mergers prior to yours, one went well, and one did not. Which one do these guys resemble now? They can't say they didn't realize what could happen, they had front row seats to the previous two.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bill Nelson]

GL,
Yes. There was a path to arbitration in the event an agreement was not met.

In this case an agreement was reached and ratified so arbitration never came into play.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Fletch,
You could just say thank you for the raise rather than being a cry baby. Just saying.

You won the lottery and now you want more. Unbelievable.

 

[fletch717]

Their day is comming, most of them are clueless. Airline number 3 for me, they hired ex ALPA pres to be the hatchet, the latest letter to the pilot group was just the beginning, all those scheduling "goodies" they brag about are going to get cut waay back. For me it's business as usual " meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The waste I see at SWA stations is staggering. I would have never believed the lack of technology and waste had I not seen it myself.

 

[fletch717]

Sorry bill, I'm losing my seat, seniority, base and getting a pay cut. Working for a legacy airline stuck in the 70s disguised as a low cost carrier. I say it here, SWA will not stay out of Bankruptsy without MAJOR changes. Those changes will be painful especially to the ground handlers and FA's who are way overpaid compared to every other airline. Scheduling and how trips are paid for pilots will be changed i.e.190k a year fo's will be a distant memory.

 

[General Lee]

Fletch,
You could just say thank you for the raise rather than being a cry baby. Just saying.

You won the lottery and now you want more. Unbelievable.

What raise GK, I mean Bill? Most of them have to wait a few YEARS, which is ridiculous. You know that. Before you state they could have had the pay immediately, you know that offer was not great to begin with. I'm glad you guys will take the first offer by management during your upcoming compensation talks. We know what they want, to go back to their LCC roots. It's great you will take the first offer without even questioning it. That's fantastic of you guys. Well done!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bill Nelson]

They were given huge pay raises by SWA management shortly after the acquisition. They were so poorly paid that even 20% raises didn't bring them near our rates but they will get our pay as soon as they are SWA pilots.

A thank you would suffice.

 

[humveedriver]

They were given huge pay raises by SWA management shortly after the acquisition. They were so poorly paid that even 20% raises didn't bring them near our rates but they will get our pay as soon as they are SWA pilots.

A thank you would suffice.

Unfortunately, it looks like it will end up being one step forward and two steps back. Lucky for the AT crew we are accustomed to being dissapointed.

 

[scoreboardII]

Their day is comming, most of them are clueless. Airline number 3 for me, they hired ex ALPA pres to be the hatchet, the latest letter to the pilot group was just the beginning, all those scheduling "goodies" they brag about are going to get cut waay back. For me it's business as usual " meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The waste I see at SWA stations is staggering. I would have never believed the lack of technology and waste had I not seen it myself.

Please detail this waste you speak of... Because, SwA has been wasting away for four decades...

 

[madjack]

Fletch,

You would have kept ur seat at SWA pay with SL9...and a fence in ATL for 10 years...a couple hundred malcontent ATL CPs f'd it up for all AAI pilots. Nice job

 

[PCL_128]

A thank you would suffice.

How about a fu*& you, instead?

 

[vixin]

How about a fu*& you, instead?
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You stay classy, SWAPA!

While I dont agree with what Bill N is saying. You may want to take your own advice. Your lack of class shows every time you type. Humvee on the other hand seems to take things in stride.

 

[Jim]

GL,
Yes. There was a path to arbitration in the event an agreement was not met.

In this case an agreement was reached and ratified so arbitration never came into play.

Everyone on this board knows that this statement is pure BS. SWA management put a gun to the Air Tran pilots head and said sign or you're dead. Even my die=hard kool-aid drinking SWA pilot friends will readily admit this.

Fletch,
You could just say thank you for the raise rather than being a cry baby. Just saying.

You won the lottery and now you want more. Unbelievable.

Money is not everything and it is a matter of perspective. Obviously many AT pilots don't feel this way and I wouldn't if I was in their shoes.

 

[Lear70]

Everyone on this board knows that this statement is pure BS. SWA management put a gun to the Air Tran pilots head and said sign or you're dead. Even my die=hard kool-aid drinking SWA pilot friends will readily admit this.

Money is not everything and it is a matter of perspective. Obviously many AT pilots don't feel this way and I wouldn't if I was in their shoes.

Absolutely true. There are quite a few of us bypassing the transition to SWA as long as we possibly can for this exact reason.

You can't match our Quality of Life over there, at least not while at work, and many of us don't NEED the money. Will it be nice eventually? Sure. Is it a "lottery ticket"? Not by a long shot. Not going back to nearly the bottom of the F/O seniority pile from nearly the top, with the resultant COMPLETE loss in bidding power that comes with it, no matter WHAT the pay increase is.

We understand you guys are proud of what you built, just like WE are proud of what WE built. We understand you didn't want to buy our company; after the fact, many of us wish we'd never been bought. But all this is water under the bridge, and continuing to pull the "you won the lottery so just shut up and say thank you" card isn't going to help you win your arguments.

You guys feel one way. We feel another. That's the ONLY, REAL truth that can be said. So why continue to run the one-liners out there that pi$$ everyone off?

Hope everyone has a safe, fun, and Happy New Year! We're going out to Nashville Steak and Oyster, having one hell of a good meal, then partying with friends watching the Guitar (music note now, what the heck is that about?) drop at midnight, try to forget the Dallas game last night (Tony Romo turnovers are what's for breakfast), and start the New Year fresh, focusing on the important things in life that I have the power to affect (and this ain't it, that ship has sailed).

Stay thirsty, my friends! :beer: