SWA or DAL

[CA Calypso]

Wow, aren't you high and mighty? I guess you don't know our future plans? Things will be getting good, and remember, good ole Continental was in BK once or twice, and they are doing well now. We have gotten rid of the terrible management (Leo and the gang), brought our costs down and debt down, and have a plan to make plenty of revenue. If you want to fly the same plane the rest of your life, more than 4-5 legs a day on average, and fly to cities that aren't very fun with fairly short layovers, then do it. That doesn't float my boat, sorry. Your pay is great, but that may not be there in a few years. We had higher pay than you did, with more money in the bank, and look what happened. If Colleen Barret takes over for Gary Kelly you may be sunk.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

You continue to lose credibility. Your posts on SWA's layovers have been proven wrong yet you continue to repeat them. This says more about your own insecurities.

I hope your "new" management has a better plan...

You said the same things a few years ago. Remember how Song would save the airline? Look how that worked out (please read my first post on this thread).

By the way, it's takes much more than "plenty of revenue" and farming out your domestic flying to the lowest bidder to ensure the future success of Delta.

You can also thank the United boys for your higher pay prior to 9-11. They are the ones who negotiated those rates during their summer of 2000 issues - you guys just got their rates plus a percent or two. Please don't take the credit..

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey SWA/FU,

Who paid for your aviation degree at SIU? Let me guess..... Was it your Daddy who also got you the job at SWA?

No wonder you are so immature. BTW, talking about yourself in the third person is a complete sign of being self centered and immature. As in "the SWA/FU."

The SWA/FO does not have to explain himself to an individual that does not understand civilian aviation and how it works. The SWA/FO has never sucked on the Gov tit, like you have and probably continue to do.

The SWA/FO knew how to fly before he arrived at the airlines. :laugh:

the SWA/FO imp:

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The SWA/FO does not have to explain himself to an individual that does not understand civilian aviation and how it works. The SWA/FO has never sucked on the Gov tit, like you have and probably continue to do.

The SWA/FO knew how to fly before he arrived at the airlines. :laugh:

the SWA/FO imp:

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

 

[FDJ2]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

SWAPA has never negotiated an industry leading pay rate. They are more accustomed to pay rates that are 30% or more below the legacy carriers. It will be interesting to see what pay raises, if any, they negotiate.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

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[canyonblue]

SWAPA has never negotiated an industry leading pay rate.

Nor a concessionary pay-cut. I'll take our approach over yours, at least it seems to work better.

 

[canyonblue]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there?

This from an NWA pilot? Get off the computer, Steenland needs his pool cleaned. :laugh:

 

[mdf]

This from an NWA pilot? Get off the computer, Steenland needs his pool cleaned. :laugh:

Checkmate!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

FYI...negotiations are continuing. Paywise? Most of us came here because of the way this company manages "in good times, plans for the bad times."

This has kept us in a solid growth mode, annual profits (= profit sharing) and no layoffs, which, as many on these boards know, are a true morale killer...both for those who take the partial pay/benefit cuts and those who take the 100% pay/benefit cuts.

Tejas

 

[Whataburger]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

Hopefully not. 20% pay raises this year could lead to 60-100% pay cuts later. I think the last 10 years have proved this theory. More, more, more, more is not how SWA rolls.

 

[SWA/FO]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

in process... these things take time. unlike paycuts when you guys can't wait to roll-over and take it again.

I flew with a union guy a few weeks back and he said our pay will increase, fact. I guess, we will see.

I'd like to see them burn the place down and choke the $hit out of the golden goose. so then I can brang to everyone that we have industry leading pay. Then people will fill the streets and party singing "Southwest saved the industry!!!!" (even Capt. Mega will be there! drinking wild turkey)

We don't have to make-up for anything lost.

the SWA/FO

 

[fiel12]

A quick question for any SWA/ NWA guy/gal.

Are the payrates and other info on Airline Pilot Central accurate?

SWA 12 yr capt: $198hr
vs.
NWA 12 yr 747 capt $177hr

Just curious.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

A quick question for any SWA/ NWA guy/gal.

Are the payrates and other info on Airline Pilot Central accurate?

SWA 12 yr capt: $198hr
vs.
NWA 12 yr 747 capt $177hr

Just curious.

Those are accurate, but at NWA the top pay will be the 787 when it replaces the 47. So more like $150-170 will be top out pay at NWA in the coming years.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

 

[FDJ2]

Nor a concessionary pay-cut.

It was difficult to give a concessionary pay cut when the SWAPA rates were already at the low end of industry average, as they have traditionally been.

Good luck with your negotiations.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

It was difficult to give a concessionary pay cut when the SWAPA rates were already at the low end of industry average, as they have traditionally been.
Good luck with your negotiations.

Seems SWA management came through with an agreed upon profit sharing deposit on 9/14...just days after 9/11...when the rest of the industry was looking for ways to conserve cash...and breaking p[romises to their employees. And, these guys never even entertained the idea of pay cuts or benefit cuts.

Also...if memory serves me correct... the current contract extension was voted on after 9/11. The pay raise that gave us our current rates came with that extension...and the SWAPA leadership also recommend a "No" vote on that one...as I recall.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

What are you refering to?? What abuse?

 

[puddlejumper101]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

18 days off a month...what abuse. the company encourages your so called "over-time" abuse. we are productive for a reason. Abuse? NWA management...now that's abuse.

 

[Whataburger]

I dont believe picking up overtime here is "abuse." The ability to pick-up work as a proby pilot for second year rates lead me to believe the Company wants us to "abuse" the system as much as possible.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

Now I think I get it. You misunderstand who thinks what is abuse.

ALPA thinks pilots flying too much constitutes abuse. Mostly because it means fewer pilots and slower upgrades. Companies like their employees to fly extra. While some do it at a premium, many don't. Either way it is cheaper than health insurance, newhire class and recurrent for extra pilots to fly the lower block per month "ALPA" standard.

Abuse?....I would call what management is doing with this PBS thing abuse. Another management blunder that is made to work by forcing labor to bend over backwards.