SWA or DAL

[SWA/FO]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

in process... these things take time. unlike paycuts when you guys can't wait to roll-over and take it again.

I flew with a union guy a few weeks back and he said our pay will increase, fact. I guess, we will see.

I'd like to see them burn the place down and choke the $hit out of the golden goose. so then I can brang to everyone that we have industry leading pay. Then people will fill the streets and party singing "Southwest saved the industry!!!!" (even Capt. Mega will be there! drinking wild turkey)

We don't have to make-up for anything lost.

the SWA/FO

 

[fiel12]

A quick question for any SWA/ NWA guy/gal.

Are the payrates and other info on Airline Pilot Central accurate?

SWA 12 yr capt: $198hr
vs.
NWA 12 yr 747 capt $177hr

Just curious.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

A quick question for any SWA/ NWA guy/gal.

Are the payrates and other info on Airline Pilot Central accurate?

SWA 12 yr capt: $198hr
vs.
NWA 12 yr 747 capt $177hr

Just curious.

Those are accurate, but at NWA the top pay will be the 787 when it replaces the 47. So more like $150-170 will be top out pay at NWA in the coming years.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

 

[FDJ2]

Nor a concessionary pay-cut.

It was difficult to give a concessionary pay cut when the SWAPA rates were already at the low end of industry average, as they have traditionally been.

Good luck with your negotiations.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

It was difficult to give a concessionary pay cut when the SWAPA rates were already at the low end of industry average, as they have traditionally been.
Good luck with your negotiations.

Seems SWA management came through with an agreed upon profit sharing deposit on 9/14...just days after 9/11...when the rest of the industry was looking for ways to conserve cash...and breaking p[romises to their employees. And, these guys never even entertained the idea of pay cuts or benefit cuts.

Also...if memory serves me correct... the current contract extension was voted on after 9/11. The pay raise that gave us our current rates came with that extension...and the SWAPA leadership also recommend a "No" vote on that one...as I recall.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

What are you refering to?? What abuse?

 

[puddlejumper101]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

18 days off a month...what abuse. the company encourages your so called "over-time" abuse. we are productive for a reason. Abuse? NWA management...now that's abuse.

 

[Whataburger]

I dont believe picking up overtime here is "abuse." The ability to pick-up work as a proby pilot for second year rates lead me to believe the Company wants us to "abuse" the system as much as possible.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

SW's contract will be current pay rates and the elimination of overtime abuse. mark my word....

Now I think I get it. You misunderstand who thinks what is abuse.

ALPA thinks pilots flying too much constitutes abuse. Mostly because it means fewer pilots and slower upgrades. Companies like their employees to fly extra. While some do it at a premium, many don't. Either way it is cheaper than health insurance, newhire class and recurrent for extra pilots to fly the lower block per month "ALPA" standard.

Abuse?....I would call what management is doing with this PBS thing abuse. Another management blunder that is made to work by forcing labor to bend over backwards.

 

[SWA/FO]

Abuse?....I would call what management is doing with this PBS thing abuse. Another management blunder that is made to work by forcing labor to bend over backwards.

we don'ts have da PBS. NWA does, and maybe CAL?

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

we don'ts have da PBS. NWA does, and maybe CAL?

Exactly. NWA and CAL brothers are starting to think having it is normal and the practices at other airlines (SWA) constitute some sort of pilot abuse of the "system". They have become institutionalized and narrowminded. Little do they know the system is working just fine elsewhere.

 

[bravodude]

He is talking about how abusive it is that you make so much while he makes sooooo little.

 

[Murphy]

gone for 4 days and this thread hasn't died yet?

 

[FDJ2]

Seems SWA management came through with an agreed upon profit sharing deposit on 9/14...just days after 9/11...when the rest of the industry was looking for ways to conserve cash...and breaking p[romises to their employees. And, these guys never even entertained the idea of pay cuts or benefit cuts.

Also...if memory serves me correct... the current contract extension was voted on after 9/11. The pay raise that gave us our current rates came with that extension...and the SWAPA leadership also recommend a "No" vote on that one...as I recall.

They were still not industry leading rates at the time. Far from it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that this thread needs to die. I asked a simple question ten pages ago.

 

[jball2]

I think it's over too. I think you knew your answer before you ever typed the question. Good Luck at Delta! I mean that. There are some great folks over there I just hope they keep it together.

 

[Falconjet]

A quick question for any SWA/ NWA guy/gal.

Are the payrates and other info on Airline Pilot Central accurate?

SWA 12 yr capt: $198hr
vs.
NWA 12 yr 747 capt $177hr

Just curious.

Is there such a thing as double check mate? Or maybe super check mate?

Well if there was that might be it.

YPF you ought to beg out while you are still alive (barely) to fight another day.

FJ

 

[pgcfii2002]

Reject both offers and fly for Mesa.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would leave flying before I did that. Sorry

 

[hypersonic]

I think that this thread needs to die. I asked a simple question ten pages ago.

Make that 24 pages ago

 

[YourPilotFriend]

YPF you ought to beg out while you are still alive (barely) to fight another day.

FJ

It's all a roll of the dice. For example here is the video braniff showed its newhires........
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/09/airportofthefuture.html

 

[SWA/FO]

You made the right choice, Delta is the place to go in an uncertain market.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

SWA/FO.
I never said where or what I was doing for one.
Two, if you are so wise about the ways of the industry you will know that SWA cannot stay on top forever.
Yes, their business plan is the best around, but if you look around many have done what the Chinese do. Take the best parts and improve on them.
With what ever I choose, it is a lot better than where I am now. It is all about personal and professional goals. Not about whose is longer.

 

[CF34-3B1]

A quick question for any SWA/ NWA guy/gal.

Are the payrates and other info on Airline Pilot Central accurate?

SWA 12 yr capt: $198hr
vs.
NWA 12 yr 747 capt $177hr

Just curious.

Are there any 12 year 747 Capts at NWA?

I figured it would take a lot more than 12 years to hold it these days. Just wondering.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

12 or 20 you get the same rate.

 

[SWA/FO]

I never said where or what I was doing for one.
Two, if you are so wise about the ways of the industry you will know that SWA cannot stay on top forever.
Yes, their business plan is the best around, but if you look around many have done what the Chinese do. Take the best parts and improve on them.

put it down and step away from the crack pipe.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Try the same brother.

 

[SWA/FO]

I'm not looking to change jobs, you are.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You would too if you worked where I do. You are lucky that you are god. On a good day I am just human.