SWA culture!

[PCL_128]

AirTran is not a stepping stone job for the vast majority of AirTran pilots. Yes, there are some guys who decide to move on to something else, but those are few and far between. Most guys came here with the intent to make this their career. Many of us never even applied to SWA.

 

[Ty Webb]

AAI is a stepping stone job

Not to this 2001 hire, it's not. You probably think any airline but yours is just a stepping stone... What a buffoon.

Hose, until you get your mind around that fact, you will continue to be like a child who has wandered into a room where adults are having a conversation, and asking inane, irrelevant questions.

 

[ivauir]

nevermind.

Have a great 4th

 

[ASADFW7]

Pcl why is the attrition rate higher at AAI? Because it is a destination for a smaller percentage of the whole labor force? SWA is not the be all and end all but it is a larger destination, a destination with better benefits, and.... We all know this except for ...

 

[SWA/FO]

You're kidding yourself if you believe this pilot group, including the FOs, will vote to approve a deal that knocks a relatively senior captain like Ty out of his seat. The idea of any captain losing his seat is absurd.

Your Pilot group could care LESS about Ty, he is an Embarrassment to all decent Air Tran Pilots. You too PLC - fired from the union. Our new donut boyz!
Way to stay off the radar, boyz. Yeah, you'll make the list alright, the one that's hard to get off. You are over playing your hand.
:bawling:

 

[Ty Webb]

Swafo,

You are starting to remind me of one of those monkeys at the zoo with the huge, angry,inflamed red asses..... Must be painful.


.

 

[slaquer5]

You're kidding yourself if you believe this pilot group, including the FOs, will vote to approve a deal that knocks a relatively senior captain like Ty out of his seat. The idea of any captain losing his seat is absurd.

I think that you could care less about ty web, your a snake in the grass, dragging his name though out SWA for your benefit. As much as I might disagree with alot of what ty says, he can and does speak up for himself.

You are the true meaning of, With friends like you who needs enemies.

 

[SWA/CA]

AirTran is not a stepping stone job for the vast majority of AirTran pilots. Yes, there are some guys who decide to move on to something else, but those are few and far between. Most guys came here with the intent to make this their career. Many of us never even applied to SWA.

Just had to laugh at this one :crying:

 

[boeingdriver213]

What part of "Please don't discuss this stuff on the web" don't you Southwest guys understand?

 

[Ty Webb]

Just a friendly word of caution, but I'd refrain from making personal attacks and veiled threats against people who are not anonymous or that have been "outed" on your SWAPA forum. That can backfire in a big way...

There's a big difference between calling someone a babboon, and instead saying "we know who you are" or sending me a picture of myself, as a few of you have done.

Some of you may want to review your handbook. Seems strange that I would have to be the one to point this out, but consider it a friendly piece of advice.

TW

 

[ivauir]

What part of "Please don't discuss this stuff on the web" don't you Airtran guys understand?

I fixed it for you.

 

[SWA/FO]

I've never seen your picture Ty - what do you look like? Where did they get the picture from? What forum?

 

[StopNTSing]

AirTran is not a stepping stone job for the vast majority of AirTran pilots. Yes, there are some guys who decide to move on to something else, but those are few and far between. Most guys came here with the intent to make this their career. Many of us never even applied to SWA.

Whatever you say, Baghdad Bob. Can you or any other AT guy put some real numbers to how many pilots left AT over the last ten years? (I'd bet SWAPA can ) I'm sure AT has been a career airline since the industry's music stopped in 2008, but before that, not so much. And for those who proudly proclaim they never even applied to SWA, be honest, was it only because of the 73-type?

 

[Bake]

Originally Posted by PCL_128
AirTran is not a stepping stone job for the vast majority of AirTran pilots. Yes, there are some guys who decide to move on to something else, but those are few and far between. Most guys came here with the intent to make this their career. Many of us never even applied to SWA.

We have well over 160 AT guys at SWA. That is 10%. I would hardly say they are few and far between.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Originally Posted by PCL_128
AirTran is not a stepping stone job for the vast majority of AirTran pilots. Yes, there are some guys who decide to move on to something else, but those are few and far between. Most guys came here with the intent to make this their career. Many of us never even applied to SWA.

We have well over 160 AT guys at SWA. That is 10%. I would hardly say they are few and far between.

Over 17 years that's about 9 a year or less than 1 a month. The significance of this is subjective.

 

[Tripower455]

Over 17 years that's about 9 a year or less than 1 a month. The significance of this is subjective.

Until you compare it to the number of SW guys who left to go to AT....

 

[Cometman]

Over 17 years that's about 9 a year or less than 1 a month. The significance of this is subjective.

It is still about 10%. It is probably 0% going the other way.

 

[SWA/FO]

SWA/FO went to SWA instead of tranny!!!

 

[redflyer65]

Besides the AAI guys going to SW, what about the others?

AAI to DL
AAI to Fedex
AAI to UPS
AAI to Alaska
AAI to JetBlue
AAI to United, etc, etc..

When you add it all up, I would say it's a pretty significant number. There really is no way to argue that it's not.

The term 'significant attrition' was floated I guess.

 

[rajflyboy]

Hopefully these trannies will pull their heads out of their butts sooner rather than later. It's painful to watch them with very little leverage piss away their golden lottery ticket. Take the staple and count your blessings. You could end up with jack squat.

Dude

Their golden lottery was destroyed the day that SWA bought them

there is no way to merge these 2 seniority lists in a fair manor

ain't gonna happen

 

[Bob Dylan]

Dude

Their golden lottery was destroyed the day that SWA bought them

there is no way to merge these 2 seniority lists in a fair manor

ain't gonna happen

It should be and probably will be a staple. That's as fair as it gets. If I were a SWA pilot I wouldn't except anything but a staple.

AirTran was always a stepping stone, no matter what the trannies on here say. Most of us never even considered places like AirTran and Spirit. It pisses people off to say that, but it's a fact. Plenty of good guys at these places, but lousy place to work. That's why everybody tried to get on elsewhere.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Besides the AAI guys going to SW, what about the others?

AAI to DL
AAI to Fedex
AAI to UPS
AAI to Alaska
AAI to JetBlue
AAI to United, etc, etc..

When you add it all up, I would say it's a pretty significant number. There really is no way to argue that it's not.

The term 'significant attrition' was floated I guess.

And all of them did not go to WN, wonder why?

Yes, there is no question that some chose to make lateral moves (for the most part) that, in their opinion, would better their lot in life. Fortunately, most of us have had those opportunities made available to us should we have chosen.

For those of us that made the decision to make FL a "destination", it was a gamble that may or may not pay off. Should we be punished for that dedication? It would appear that would be welcomed into the WN culture if not into SWAPA.

 

[SWA/FO]

And all of them did not go to WN, wonder why?

Didn't pass the interview?

You took a chance at tranny, didn't work out. Don't let this opportunity of a lifetime pass you by.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Didn't pass the interview?

You took a chance at tranny, didn't work out. Don't let this opportunity of a lifetime pass you by.

That remains to be seen, won't know until 65 (or 70 if you guys push for that).

BTW, get over yourself, this is not a chance of a lifetime for any of us. This is merely an airline merger, not the first, and won't be the last.

 

[Dolce]

Hey Luv,

This is merely an airline merger, not the first, and won't be the last.

Correction to your statement...
It's an acquisition with an eventual merger of AAI employees onto the SWA employee list...unless you wish for something different(?).

D

 

[Ty Webb]

I moved up 130 numbers in ten years, the vast majority of those numbers were retirements, medicals or death. Hardly the exodus you guys are fantasizing about. Two went to SWA, one to Fedex, 2 to Emirates, one to Delta. Perhaps there were more, but it was very unusual, an oddity.

Once guys made captain here, there wasn't much of an incentive to start over. When growth slowed, some junior guys made the decision to go elsewhere, but plenty of pilots left SWA, as well. Lots of 'em. Don't expect an Arbitrator to be as impressed by anecdotes as some of you are.

 

[slaquer5]

Originally Posted by PCL_128
AirTran is not a stepping stone job for the vast majority of AirTran pilots. Yes, there are some guys who decide to move on to something else, but those are few and far between. Most guys came here with the intent to make this their career. Many of us never even applied to SWA.

We have well over 160 AT guys at SWA. That is 10%. I would hardly say they are few and far between.

Bake you post yet I never remember a work you type.



Bake for SWA FA hiring.

 

[redflyer65]

Yes, there is no question that some chose to make lateral moves (for the most part)

What? Lateral move, really? I mean seriously, you've got to be joking.

You tell me what's lateral, and what might be higher. I'd like to know where your baseline is. Feel free to use any and all carriers..

 

[Dolce]

Ty,

Really...why do you care? Are you planning on eventually returning to the line? Maybe the powers that be will convince your NC, at the next scheduled meeting with SWA management attending, what's best for everybody and an arbitrated decision isn't in your best interest! Just saying Ty...

D

 

[hairball1173]

Lear, from the snapshot, swa continued to hire in 2008 several months longer than AT did. There are several hundred FOs at WN who would be placed junior to your bottom guy w/ straight DOH- the bottom FOs at AT were furloughed in '09- for how long?

Furloughs were 9/3/2008 and no 09. There were 169. First recalls in December 2008 and continued every month thereafter. I know, I was one of them.