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Dolce said:
Kwick,

I think your NC is about to have an interesting meeting with SWAPA and SWA management...just saying! Welcome aboard and let's try to have a good time together!

D
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You're probably wrong. I heard that GK wants this over quicker, and SWAPA might be told to quicken the pace. Gotta capture those "synergies", right? Arbitration will make it go faster, and more fair. Ask the Colgan guys how they did with their higher paid and jet flying counterparts at PNCL/MES.



OYS
 
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Face it trannies - you can't get 100% of the gains in this deal.
 
GuppyWN said:
Please read deeper in what you just posted. When you're light bulb comes on feel free to describe your vision.

Gup
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My vision is what was stated- fair an equitable. The definition of this, apparently, will be up to an arbitration panel. Are you willing to accept their decision?
 
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SWA/FO said:
Face it trannies - you can't get 100% of the gains in this deal.
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They can get most of the gains. The NWA guys got higher pay raises percentage wise vs DL, the same amount of stock, more plane types to bid, and a better choice of bases. I hear that from my FNWA captains on the bus all the time.


OYS
 
The NWA guys got higher pay raises percentage wise vs DL
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and they lost their seniority.
 
freightdogfred said:
My vision is what was stated- fair an equitable. The definition of this, apparently, will be up to an arbitration panel. Are you willing to accept their decision?
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Let me help you out.

Integration of the two airlines will require fair and equitable integration of the seniority list as stated in Allegheny-Mohawk and negotiation of labor agreements applicable to the combined operation.

Notice how Gary said "INTEGRATION of the two airlines will REQUIRE fair and equitable integration of the seniority list?" Read that again. Then read it again.

This aint going to arbitration.

Gup
 
freightdogfred said:
So NW captains are jerking gear for DL F/O's?

Funny stuff...
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Stop trying to compare two 70 year old airlines who went bankrupt at the same time, who both exited bankruptcy at the same time, who had similar demographics, both corporate and seniority wise to this deal.

Isn't the same.

Gup
 
BTW, I agree with CarlP that in 5 years, hell I say today, you wouldn't be able to tell us apart if you took the uniform off. Aitran pilots have the same DNA as Southwest pilots and I'm sure we'll all work well together.

Gup
 
GuppyWN said:
Let me help you out.

Integration of the two airlines will require fair and equitable integration of the seniority list as stated in Allegheny-Mohawk and negotiation of labor agreements applicable to the combined operation.

Notice how Gary said "INTEGRATION of the two airlines will REQUIRE fair and equitable integration of the seniority list?" Read that again. Then read it again.

This aint going to arbitration.

Gup
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This is like herding cats... Enlighten me as to your personal opinion of fair an equitable.
 
GuppyWN said:
BTW, I agree with CarlP that in 5 years, hell I say today, you wouldn't be able to tell us apart if you took the uniform off. Aitran pilots have the same DNA as Southwest pilots and I'm sure we'll all work well together.

Gup
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I agree. I got many-o-homeboy over there at WN, all great guys, all great sticks. A certain fondness for a few WN fa's as well. I don't get too wrapped around the axle over all this nonsense here.
 
What DNA is that? Paying for their jobs? Working for 20-40% less than their peers? Fonzie jackets?



GuppyWN said:
BTW, I agree with CarlP that in 5 years, hell I say today, you wouldn't be able to tell us apart if you took the uniform off. Aitran pilots have the same DNA as Southwest pilots and I'm sure we'll all work well together.

Gup
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freightdogfred said:
This is like herding cats... Enlighten me as to your personal opinion of fair an equitable.
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Something that won't push my upgrade to never in a no growth environment. Something that won't change my list percentage at retirement. Something that won't hit me in the paycheck and QOL in the form of decreased relative seniority as my career progresses because of the demographic differances berween the two pilot groups. Fair and equitable cuts both ways. I don't expect to gain here but I do expect not to lose.
 
shagadelic said:
When I retire I'll be around number 100. If you put 400 guys above me, mostly younger than me , when I retire I'll be around number 500 instead of number 100. So, yes, I will be harmed. That's just me personally, compound that problem for the FO's. Sorry, DOH is a non-starter and Relative is dreamland.
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Got you beat. I would or will be around #10
 
So NW captains are jerking gear for DL F/O's?

Funny stuff...
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My friend lost his Captain seat. He is currently pulling gear.
 

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