SWA culture!

[vetrider]

SWA has the numbers and horsepower to get what they want, or effectively what they want by hook or crook. The SWA guys can make the Airways east pilots look like rank amateurs in that regard, if it comes to it.

No one asked me, but in my opinion if SWA decides that the Air Tran guys got a little to much, and they don't like it, look out. Exactly what 'to much' is, is yet to be determined, but I believe I have the premise right anyway.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

When I retire I'll be around number 100. If you put 400 guys above me, mostly younger than me , when I retire I'll be around number 500 instead of number 100. So, yes, I will be harmed. That's just me personally, compound that problem for the FO's. Sorry, DOH is a non-starter and Relative is dreamland.

I would have had around 25 senior to me when I retired, how many should I have now? What's fair?

 

[kwick]

When I retire I'll be around number 100. If you put 400 guys above me, mostly younger than me , when I retire I'll be around number 500 instead of number 100. So, yes, I will be harmed. That's just me personally, compound that problem for the FO's. Sorry, DOH is a non-starter and Relative is dreamland.

How are you harmed in any way?

Do you lose pay? Do you lose your
Captain seat? Are you bumped out of your
domicile? NO!

 

[Cometman]

I would have had around 25 senior to me when I retired, how many should I have now? What's fair?

I assume you are with Air Tran. I don't know if you are aware but Air Tran was sold and bought by Southwest. Everything has changed for you because Air Tran is no longer here. It is like death. Telling somebody that if so and so was alive today they would be 100. Well, they are not alive. Just like Air Tran.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I assume you are with Air Tran. I don't know if you are aware but Air Tran was sold and bought by Southwest. Everything has changed for you because Air Tran is no longer here. It is like death. Telling somebody that if so and so was alive today they would be 100. Well, they are not alive. Just like Air Tran.

Just as WN is no longer the same after purchasing us. What's fair?

There's a fine line between no harm and unfair gain in seniority. Fortunatley, we aren't the one's having to make that call.

BTW, if we aren't integrated, we're still here. So far, we're not integrated, just sayin.

 

[Cometman]

Just as WN is no longer the same after purchasing us. What's fair?

There's a fine line between no harm and unfair gain in seniority. Fortunatley, we aren't the one's having to make that call.

BTW, if we aren't integrated, we're still here. So far, we're not integrated, just sayin.

SWA might not be the same because they bought you. They might have more aircraft and more locations but they are still alive. Air Tran has died. They are no longer here. You might be part of SWA after everything is complete but Air Tran is dead. SWA is not dead, they might be different but they are not dead. A SWA pilot can say where they would be at retirement but you cannot say that because your company was sold and is gone. What is fair is that SWA pilots are protected and Air Tran pilots get a fair deal. However, it is more important that SWA pilots are protected. Remember, you were sold and they bought you. It is 6000 to 1700.

 

[kwick]

I assume you are with Air Tran. I don't know if you are aware but Air Tran was sold and bought by Southwest. Everything has changed for you because Air Tran is no longer here. It is like death. Telling somebody that if so and so was alive today they would be 100. Well, they are not alive. Just like Air Tran.

I assume you live in the US and are
subject to the law like everyone else.

It will go to arbitration and it will
be implemented. Most likely relative
seniority.

You might be able to negotiate a DOH
deal with fences, if you were less greedy.

You may regret that you didn't take it.

 

[BlueBlood]

kwick,

What makes you so sure? Do you NOT have faith in the process both of your groups have agreed to?

 

[SWA/FO]

How are trannies harmed if they lose their Captain seat? Let me see, they aren't!!! They get a raise to be in the right seat!!!

 

[shagadelic]

I assume you live in the US and are
subject to the law like everyone else.

It will go to arbitration and it will
be implemented. Most likely relative
seniority.

You might be able to negotiate a DOH
deal with fences, if you were less greedy.

You may regret that you didn't take it.

Good luck with that...funny, our brand new FO's are hoping for the same outcome you are.

 

[Dolce]

Kwick,

I think your NC is about to have an interesting meeting with SWAPA and SWA management...just saying! Welcome aboard and let's try to have a good time together!

D

 

[shagadelic]

I would have had around 25 senior to me when I retired, how many should I have now? What's fair?

Kwik says I'm not harmed; I showed how I am harmed. One of our negotiating committee's guidelines, that have the full support of SWA leadership, are that no SWA pilot is harmed. That's all I'm saying. Your position may move down on the list, but you'd be hard pressed to show me you've been harmed by this transaction.

 

[tico]

Red, I hope that swapa has left no stone unturned in developing the process by which your pilot group would be merged now or in the future. What is sure is that an aquisition of AirTran Holdings inc. has occured. What remains to be seen is whether a merger of pilot groups or even a soc ever occurs.

It should be noted that SWA corporate has had far more to do with the enviable position that you all find yourselves in than any contribution that swapa or the pilots represented by them have made. We all hustle, we all are efficient, we all lend a hand where needed, we all work hard and support our brand. And yet only the swa pilots are recognized and supported and rewarded. I believe that there is no appreciable difference in attitude and effort amongst all of us. It is just the simple, undying devotion to putting employees first that has allowed SWA to enjoy the collective fruits of your labor.....make sure to put credit where credit is due.

 

[shagadelic]

Red, I hope that swapa has left no stone unturned in developing the process by which your pilot group would be merged now or in the future. What is sure is that an aquisition of AirTran Holdings inc. has occured. What remains to be seen is whether a merger of pilot groups or even a soc ever occurs.

It should be noted that SWA corporate has had far more to do with the enviable position that you all find yourselves in than any contribution that swapa or the pilots represented by them have made. We all hustle, we all are efficient, we all lend a hand where needed, we all work hard and support our brand. And yet only the swa pilots are recognized and supported and rewarded. I believe that there is no appreciable difference in attitude and effort amongst all of us. It is just the simple, undying devotion to putting employees first that has allowed SWA to enjoy the collective fruits of your labor.....make sure to put credit where credit is due.

Tru dat.

 

[Lear70]

Nevermind...

Happy 4th of July

 

[freightdogfred]

Kwik says I'm not harmed; I showed how I am harmed. One of our negotiating committee's guidelines, that have the full support of SWA leadership, are that no SWA pilot is harmed. That's all I'm saying. Your position may move down on the list, but you'd be hard pressed to show me you've been harmed by this transaction.

So you'll be harmed. This merger/buyout whathaveyou needs no stamp of approval from SWAPA or ALPA, your own CEO stated such in his conference call back in Sept. of year. Pain on both sides is direct evidence of an equitable integration. I'll post an except from your CEO's conference call to refresh your memory.



Integration of the two airlines will require fair and equitable integration of the seniority list as stated in Allegheny-Mohawk and negotiation of labor agreements applicable to the combined operation.

 

[redflyer65]

any contribution that swapa or the pilots represented by them have made.

Maybe I should just send in my SWAPA card and try to become a non-union Southwest employee after you put it like that. What were we thinking unionizing!

 

[GoodTimes]

I want some of what Kwick is smoking!

 

[Bob Dylan]

I may have him confused with another RAJ. I sure hope so.

You don't.

Yet another person who has nothing useful to input to the conversation added to my ignore list. I don't mind people who debate an aggressive position, it's when they just say "STAPLE, STAPLE" or "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO BE OUT OF A JOB", etc that is ridiculous and offensive and I have better things to do with my time.


Not exactly. While the MC has *MENTIONED* those ideas which SWAPA is using to guide their proposals, our MC hasn't said that *WE* are agreeing that those are the ONLY acceptable guidelines. That's why it's called "negotiations". If the MC agreed, we'd already have an SLI T.A.


I understand what your MC's guiding principles are, but there's a big difference in interpreting what "protecting the career value of SWA pilots" means.

Recognition is not agreement. As far as having few options... Possibly... the MC has said that it's not an easy job (in part because of SWAPA's stated goals), but I'm still optimistic. Next week should be interesting... although our group has a slightly different take on it than yours (big shocker) lol

I don't think you can actually call it negotiations when the trannies don't have any leverage, nor do you bring anything to the table. Southwest holds all the cards and you guys will be stuck with whatever they decide. What is your recourse? Walk away from negotiations? Southwest will say, fine!

 

[GuppyWN]

So you'll be harmed. This merger/buyout whathaveyou needs no stamp of approval from SWAPA or ALPA, your own CEO stated such in his conference call back in Sept. of year. Pain on both sides is direct evidence of an equitable integration. I'll post an except from your CEO's conference call to refresh your memory.



Integration of the two airlines will require fair and equitable integration of the seniority list as stated in Allegheny-Mohawk and negotiation of labor agreements applicable to the combined operation.

Please read deeper in what you just posted. When you're light bulb comes on feel free to describe your vision.

Gup