Southwest Nose Gear Collapse LGA

[Dornier 335]

Let's see... You work for USAir, right? From Sept 89 to July 94 (a just-under five year period), your airline crashed (and completely destroyed) FIVE airplanes, killing a total of 232 passengers and crew. And this doesn't count minor stuff like off-runway incidents with only minor or no damage. And then you have the actual nutsack to bash OUR safety record. Nice.

Why don't you calm down and read up on those five accidents before you start making comparisons?

Quick description of those five accidents:

20 September 1989, Flight 5050, B734, Deflection of rudder during takeoff

01 February 1991, Flight 1493, B734, ATC controller separation error

22 March 1992, Flight 405, FK28-4, Improper deicing procedures, pilot error

02 July 1994, Flight 1016, DC-9-32, windshear during missed approach

08 September 1994, Flight 427, B733, uncommanded rudder deflection

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Why are we such d**ks to each other on internet web boards? We're all out there doing the best we can and it's pretty damn good. It's a credit to every one in the industry that any event at all gets the attention it does.

This ^^^^^

Think what it would be like if we saw each other in the hotel bar and started yelling at each other this way. I'd prefer to chill and have a beer.

 

[kwick]

Accidents happen, but when you always taxi faster than everybody else,
and you always fly the approach faster than everybody else, you have to
accept responsibility for accidents, when they happen.

When you you don't hire the best pilots available, you have to accept the
consequences..

The "Buddy system" doesn't work when it comes to safety!

 

[vixin]

Funny I had only been at SWA for two months and told a CA to GA even started to push the power up for him. I won't go into details but he thanked me once we got to the gate. Lets wait for the details before we linch these two. There isn't an airline flying that has a perfect record for whatever the reasons. Unfortunate circumstances happen. Just hope you are never the one in this situation.

 

[Jetjockey]

What a flight number......5050......I don't think I like those odds.

 

[Black Sheep]

Accident: Southwest B737 at New York on Jul 22nd 2013, nose gear collapse on landing
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By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Jul 23rd 2013 01:53Z, last updated Friday, Jul 26th 2013 04:41Z
On Jul 26th the NTSB reported that the cockpit voice recorder contained 2 hours of good data including the entire flight from Nashville, the flight data recorder contained 27 hours of data including the flight from Nashville. According to the flight data recorder the flaps were extended from 30 to 40 degrees 56 seconds prior to touch down, the aircraft flared reaching 134 KIAS and an attitude of 2 degrees nose up at 32 feet AGL, then dropped the nose to 3 degrees nose down at touchdown at 133 KIAS about 4 seconds later. The aircraft stopped about 19 seconds after touchdown. Flight data as well as evidential videos suggest the nose gear made contact with the runway prior to the main landing gear.

 

[zymotic]

Think what it would be like if we saw each other in the hotel bar and started yelling at each other this way.

It would be like an East and West crew typical encounter.

 

[Remington]

Have some downtime here at the FBO. Looks like SWA flies 1,200,000 legs a year. As a percentage, they are pretty darn safe. Ten years is 12,000,000 legs.

 

[DCAA320]

It would be like an East and West crew typical encounter.

You are incorrect. Ran into a west crew on some island, one of their guys bought us dinner, we bought them drinks afterwards.

Contrary to popular belief, not all east guys hate west guys, and not all west guys hate east guys.

Hopefully the typical encounters will be positive.

We are eventually gonna start flying together.

FI is not an accurate sampling of professional pilots.

 

[SWA Bubba]

He'll bring up everyone else's safety issues and ignore his company's own. It's like talking to an alcoholic. Complete denial and it's everyone else?s fault.

Nice post. Too bad it's complete crap.

I don't bring up "everyone else's safety issues" while ignoring Southwest's. I only brought up DCA's company record after his ridiculous post feigning outrage like we killed a kid (in HIS city, by God!) on purpose or something. That doesn't sound like "everyone's" safety record to me. Can't you count any higher than one, HPilot?

A lot of you haters (and you're one of the biggest in this regard, HPilot) go on and on about Southwest's safety record, and act like it's the worst. Then they somehow neglect to mention or remember that their own company's record is much worse, which is of course exactly what you accused me of. A pathetic attempt at deflection, by the way.

I'd be happy to talk about our safety record. Not that I need to, because I can count on one of YOU guys to bring up everything you can think of no matter what happens. However, you always seem to forget to talk about other airlines, when something happens to them. Gee, I wonder why. Hey, I have an idea--let's talk about YOUR airline's record when we're done talking about SWA, okay HPilot?

Southwest's "worst accidents" in our entire 42-plus year history:

BUR overrun (#1455)-- zero fatalities or serious injuries; plane was written off after it was determined it wasn't cost-effective to fix. And despite DCA's inexplicably angry accusations, we did NOT "hit a gas station in Cali[fornia]."

MDW overrun (#1248)-- one fatality on the ground, zero fatalities or serious injuries (on the plane); aircraft repaired and returned to service.

AMA depart the side of runway during landing (#2066)-- zero fatalities or injuries of any sort; aircraft repaired and returned to service.

LGA hard landing (#345)-- zero fatalities or serious injuries; aircraft will be repaired and returned to service.

And of course a handful of "off the pavement" incidents with no fatalities or injuries, all with minor or no damage (#1919, 1905, 4695).


Anything ELSE you'd like to talk about? If i've missed anything, please let me know. i'd hate to be accused of sugar-coating anything. The sum of all the accidents in Southwest's entire life history totals one aircraft written off and parted out, and one ground fatality from the most unlikely method imaginable (and yes, I know we're still responsible regardless), and most importantly, ZERO passengers or crew ever killed or seriously injured.

Yet the few of you take a disturbing amount of glee in gloating anytime something happens to Southwest, and then pretend that we have the worst safety record out there. The fact is, that by all measures quantifiable, Southwest has one of, if not THE, best safety record out there.

Okay, all you equal-opportunity professional safety inspectors, let's all line up to compare your company's record.... Who wants to be first?

Bubba