Southwest Nose Gear Collapse LGA

[slaquer5]

Wait, the second death attributed to Southwest... would that be the drug-addled young man who attacked the cockpit door during a flight not long after 9/11 and got beaten to death by our passengers and got carrier off the aircraft feet-first in SLC?

I was wondering if his death fell within your timeframe, can't remember what year that happened.

That was pre. 9/11. The media loved to beat on SWA and say what's wrong if he even got into the flight deck.



And once again I will have o remind everyone. Professional standard at SWA is a joke .

 

[freightdogfred]

Of course I am--just ask me. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that I'm my most favorite captain to fly with ever!

Bubba

Of this I have no doubt. It's a fact of Aviation that as a costar you have to fly with a whole bunch of azzholes. When you're a Captain you only have to fly with one.

 

[HowardBorden]

What are they defining as an accident? According to that site, Hawaiian had 15 acidents in 2010 and averages 3 per year. Pure bull********************. The last accident we've had was in 2000. We've never had a fatality or a hull loss.

Read the methodology, it is calculating per 1,000,000 takeoffs and extrapolating the figures.
Therefore all statistics are reported as a number per 1,000,000 takeoffs. For example, if an airline flew 5,000,000 takeoffs during the year and had 10 accidents it would be reported as having 2 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Again, if another airline flew only 500,000 takeoffs during the same year and had the same number of accidents (10 accidents) they would be reported as having 20 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs.

 

[HowardBorden]

What are they defining as an accident?

Again, from the methodology section of the website:
[FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA]
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA]"The NTSB classifies an "Aircraft accident" as "an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA]"[/FONT]

Don't shoot the messenger! I found the info and website from another web board.

 

[Kuma]

Sorry for the formatting. I seached the NTSB database for all accidents/incidents on Hawaiian Airlines. 9 came up since 1964. I guess since we have few takeoffs compared to other airlines that one flight attendant getting hurt due to clear air turbulence in 2010 skews our numbers that much.

9 records meet your search criteria. A docket of supporting materials may exist for factual and probable cause reports. Please contact Records Management Division. Dockets are not available for preliminary reports.

Accident Database & Synopses Download XML Download Delimited Text Current SynopsisPDF Report(s)
(Published)
Event DateLocationMake/ModelRegist. NumberNTSB No.Event SeverityType of Air Carrier Operation and Carrier Name (Doing Business As) Probable Cause Factual(08/07/2012)

Probable Cause(10/04/2012)
12/3/2010Pago Pago, American Samoa BOEING 767 N584HAWPR11LA071NonfatalInternational Lease Finance Corp (DBA: Hawaiian Airlines) Probable Cause Factual(11/04/2006)

Probable Cause(01/31/2007)
1/11/2003KAHULUI, HI Boeing 717-200 N482HALAX03IA098Incident Probable Cause Factual(04/15/2003)

Probable Cause(05/30/2003)
6/14/2000Lihue, Kauai, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N649HALAX00FA229Nonfatal Probable Cause Factual(08/22/1998)

Probable Cause(02/16/2001)
2/9/1998HONOLULU, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N601APLAX98IA085IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. (DBA: HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC.) Probable Cause Factual(11/12/1996)

Probable Cause(12/16/1996)
8/8/1996HONOLULU, HI Douglas DC-9-51 N420EALAX96IA300Incident Probable Cause Factual
Probable Cause(06/11/1990)
8/20/1988HONOLULU, HI MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC9-51 N689HALAX88IA295IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. Probable Cause Factual(02/06/1995)

Probable Cause(02/06/1995)
12/22/1983HONOLULU, HI de Havilland DHC 7-102 N929HALAX84LA115Nonfatal Probable Cause
1/28/1968HILO, HI CONVAIR 640 N5510KOAK68A0056Nonfatal Probable Cause
2/13/1964HILO, HI CONVAIR CV-440 N5512KUnknownNonfatal

 

[SWA Bubba]

That was pre. 9/11. The media loved to beat on SWA and say what's wrong if he even got into the flight deck.



And once again I will have o remind everyone. Professional standard at SWA is a joke .

That incident happened in August 2000, and the passenger's death was listed by every article I could find as, "as a result of his own criminal activity," or relates the fellow passengers who killed him (ostensibly accidentally) as "in their own defense..."

His family sued Southwest (alleging that it was somehow the company's fault that he went bonkers and the other passengers restrained him to the point of his death), and the case was just starting to hit the courts the following year when 9/11 happened. From what I understand, the family lawyers dropped the case soon after, realizing that they wouldn't get any sympathy from a jury after 9/11 showed what crazy people entering the cockpit in flight might accomplish.

Bubba

 

[Tejas-Jet]

But we don't do anything about them, unless you count putting them on your Avoidance Bid. I'm guilty of that behavior, only went to Pro-Standards and the Chiefs one time in all my FO years.

... all of which appears to be relevant to this discussion.

Au Contrare', mon frere. We can do something about them...more than Pro-Stan or Aviodance Bid can do...but, it takes a concentrated effort and nads.

Pack up and walk off the airplane. That's it.

Use quotes/passages from the FOM/AOM/Corporate Mission Statement/Commitment to Employees etc., to back up why you walked off the acft, plus what you tried to do to mitigate the situation, ie, discuss the unprofessional behavior observed.

The Chiefs will have no choice but to get involved. And the more people who do this, the more that Pilot's behavior will come under the microscope, the Chiefs options will become more and more limited.

Believe me, you walk off an airplane, that gets everyone's attention at the G.O....and it puts the spotlight on the cockroach.

 

[Ty Webb]

Have you ever flown with "that Captain," the one who doesn't trust you to fly the aircraft? The one who is all over the controls when you're the PF? To the point that you can't tell if anything you're feeling as you fly was 1. your own input, 2. a gust or bit of wake turbulence or 3. an input from the PNF who's "ghosting you" on the controls?

Probably most of us here have flown with this type of Captain, and if you're like me you hated every single minute of the trip and for some reason this sort of treatment makes you fly badly (just the opposite of the great Captain who treats you like he trusts you).

Have you ever flown with the extreme version of "that Captain" who will cut your flare short by pushing the yoke forward as if you had to be prevented from running the aircraft off the end of the runway?

Well, the word on the street in my neighborhood says...

I've flown with that type of Captain, as have we all (nicely summarized, btw).
I have to admit, when I saw the data on change in pitch attitude, this is the first thought that came to mind as well.

 

[nordo_2]

Au Contrare', mon frere. We can do something about them...more than Pro-Stan or Aviodance Bid can do...but, it takes a concentrated effort and nads.

Pack up and walk off the airplane. That's it.

Use quotes/passages from the FOM/AOM/Corporate Mission Statement/Commitment to Employees etc., to back up why you walked off the acft, plus what you tried to do to mitigate the situation, ie, discuss the unprofessional behavior observed.

The Chiefs will have no choice but to get involved. And the more people who do this, the more that Pilot's behavior will come under the microscope, the Chiefs options will become more and more limited.

Believe me, you walk off an airplane, that gets everyone's attention at the G.O....and it puts the spotlight on the cockroach.

Extreme as it can be, I brought this up in another thread. For these few cases, Pro-Standards is worthless. Although SWA does have a bid-avoidance list. That makes it easier, and more non-confrontational.

 

[madjack]

We need more military trained pilots

 

[Tripower455]

We need more military trained pilots

LOL.... Good one!

 

[waveflyer]

"Nads.." eh?

please tell us how that went for you. Surely, you've flown with suspect flyers here at some point. And you wouldn't suggest something here so publicly if you haven't actually done it, right? Probably multiple times to be so confident.

So how did it go?

Au Contrare', mon frere. We can do something about them...more than Pro-Stan or Aviodance Bid can do...but, it takes a concentrated effort and nads.

Pack up and walk off the airplane. That's it.

Use quotes/passages from the FOM/AOM/Corporate Mission Statement/Commitment to Employees etc., to back up why you walked off the acft, plus what you tried to do to mitigate the situation, ie, discuss the unprofessional behavior observed.

The Chiefs will have no choice but to get involved. And the more people who do this, the more that Pilot's behavior will come under the microscope, the Chiefs options will become more and more limited.

Believe me, you walk off an airplane, that gets everyone's attention at the G.O....and it puts the spotlight on the cockroach.

 

[waveflyer]

We need more military and civilian trained pilots that aren't d0uchebags and can fly

There you go ^^^

 

[Ty Webb]

There you go ^^^

It's amusing on so many levels . . .

 

[SIG600]

We need more military trained pilots

Nice grenade toss! :laugh:

 

[waveflyer]

It's amusing on so many levels . . .

i know, right?

 

[tankerhead]

Plenty of d-bags and fools to go around, mil or civ.

Freal.

 

[humveedriver]

We need more military trained pilots

We need hotter and younger flight attendants. But if mil pilots are your thing, that's cool. DADT.

 

[Ty Webb]

We need more military trained pilots

We need hotter and younger flight attendants. But if mil pilots are your thing, that's cool. DADT.

Another instant F.I. classic. Nicely done! :laugh:

 

[waveflyer]

We need hotter and younger flight attendants. But if mil pilots are your thing, that's cool. DADT.

Hahaha

 

[scoreboardII]

We need hotter and younger flight attendants. But if mil pilots are your thing, that's cool. DADT.

And apparently its OK with the military as well. I'm not sure as I've been out ten years.

 

[ron burgundy]

Sorry for the formatting. I seached the NTSB database for all accidents/incidents on Hawaiian Airlines. 9 came up since 1964. I guess since we have few takeoffs compared to other airlines that one flight attendant getting hurt due to clear air turbulence in 2010 skews our numbers that much.

9 records meet your search criteria. A docket of supporting materials may exist for factual and probable cause reports. Please contact Records Management Division. Dockets are not available for preliminary reports.

Accident Database & Synopses Download XML Download Delimited Text Current SynopsisPDF Report(s)
(Published)
Event DateLocationMake/ModelRegist. NumberNTSB No.Event SeverityType of Air Carrier Operation and Carrier Name (Doing Business As) Probable Cause Factual(08/07/2012)

Probable Cause(10/04/2012)
12/3/2010Pago Pago, American Samoa BOEING 767 N584HAWPR11LA071NonfatalInternational Lease Finance Corp (DBA: Hawaiian Airlines) Probable Cause Factual(11/04/2006)

Probable Cause(01/31/2007)
1/11/2003KAHULUI, HI Boeing 717-200 N482HALAX03IA098Incident Probable Cause Factual(04/15/2003)

Probable Cause(05/30/2003)
6/14/2000Lihue, Kauai, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N649HALAX00FA229Nonfatal Probable Cause Factual(08/22/1998)

Probable Cause(02/16/2001)
2/9/1998HONOLULU, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N601APLAX98IA085IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. (DBA: HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC.) Probable Cause Factual(11/12/1996)

Probable Cause(12/16/1996)
8/8/1996HONOLULU, HI Douglas DC-9-51 N420EALAX96IA300Incident Probable Cause Factual
Probable Cause(06/11/1990)
8/20/1988HONOLULU, HI MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC9-51 N689HALAX88IA295IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. Probable Cause Factual(02/06/1995)

Probable Cause(02/06/1995)
12/22/1983HONOLULU, HI de Havilland DHC 7-102 N929HALAX84LA115Nonfatal Probable Cause
1/28/1968HILO, HI CONVAIR 640 N5510KOAK68A0056Nonfatal Probable Cause
2/13/1964HILO, HI CONVAIR CV-440 N5512KUnknownNonfatal

You people are amazing! Regardless of the..airline,number of incident/accidents,cause of them,Era of operation,etc. It is still about..MY AIRLINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS! As a result of the aforementioned, Lives were lost,careers lost, families changed forever. Hundreds of thousands of lives affected.Yet,still..you have the mindset that.. "I am worried that mine is smaller than everybody else..Therefore,my airline,airplane,watch,house,portfolio,pool,car and even my Dad... is bigger than yours !. Did I mention that I have a super hot wife,awesome girlfriend and my kids are super intelligent? Smarter than yours I'm sure".
You a$$clowns are spending time researching stuff that happened 5-10- 20-30 yrs ago..in order to prove who is better.

You wanna know who is better...The person with nothing to prove! He/she focuses on doing their job and living a life on their days off. BTW...They are better than me. They probably don't subscribe to this Donkeyshow!

 

[say again]

You people are amazing! Regardless of the..airline,number of incident/accidents,cause of them,Era of operation,etc. It is still about..MY AIRLINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS! As a result of the aforementioned, Lives were lost,careers lost, families changed forever. Hundreds of thousands of lives affected.Yet,still..you have the mindset that.. "I am worried that mine is smaller than everybody else..Therefore,my airline,airplane,watch,house,portfolio,pool,car and even my Dad... is bigger than yours !. Did I mention that I have a super hot wife,awesome girlfriend and my kids are super intelligent? Smarter than yours I'm sure".
You a$$clowns are spending time researching stuff that happened 5-10- 20-30 yrs ago..in order to prove who is better.

You wanna know who is better...The person with nothing to prove! He/she focuses on doing their job and living a life on their days off. BTW...They are better than me. They probably don't subscribe to this Donkeyshow!

Well said!!! :beer:

 

[waveflyer]

Probably not lecturing said donkeys how subscribers either- pot meet kettle-

As long as we can agree we're a combined very safe country. And please know we're as safe as our weakest links

You people are amazing! Regardless of the..airline,number of incident/accidents,cause of them,Era of operation,etc. It is still about..MY AIRLINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS! As a result of the aforementioned, Lives were lost,careers lost, families changed forever. Hundreds of thousands of lives affected.Yet,still..you have the mindset that.. "I am worried that mine is smaller than everybody else..Therefore,my airline,airplane,watch,house,portfolio,pool,car and even my Dad... is bigger than yours !. Did I mention that I have a super hot wife,awesome girlfriend and my kids are super intelligent? Smarter than yours I'm sure".
You a$$clowns are spending time researching stuff that happened 5-10- 20-30 yrs ago..in order to prove who is better.

You wanna know who is better...The person with nothing to prove! He/she focuses on doing their job and living a life on their days off. BTW...They are better than me. They probably don't subscribe to this Donkeyshow!

 

[Sparse]

Have you ever flown with "that Captain," the one who doesn't trust you to fly the aircraft? The one who is all over the controls when you're the PF? To the point that you can't tell if anything you're feeling as you fly was 1. your own input, 2. a gust or bit of wake turbulence or 3. an input from the PNF who's "ghosting you" on the controls?

Probably most of us here have flown with this type of Captain, and if you're like me you hated every single minute of the trip and for some reason this sort of treatment makes you fly badly (just the opposite of the great Captain who treats you like he trusts you).

Have you ever flown with the extreme version of "that Captain" who will cut your flare short by pushing the yoke forward as if you had to be prevented from running the aircraft off the end of the runway?

Well, the word on the street in my neighborhood says...

I remember an FO looked back at me on the engineer panel of a DC-8 after this happened, and he said, "I exceeded his ability to recover".

 

[Ty Webb]

I remember an FO looked back at me on the engineer panel of a DC-8 after this happened, and he said, "I exceeded his ability to recover".

Yup. They're afraid that the other Pilot is going to put them in a situation that they can't recover from. . . . and instead, provide a "solution" that is worse than the problem.

I remember flying as FO with an old, former EAL Capt :erm: who would "recover" from every one of my landings at about 100 KIAS, saying, "I'll save us!" as he stomped on the brakes in a very jarring and uneven manner, spoiling every one of my landings with a ridiculously spastic rollout, convincing me that he either had a club foot, or some sort of palsy.

This same clown would tell me, at random intervals throughout the trip, "You know, you really ought to consider moving to Atlanta". . . as if, somehow, his Captaincy also conferred upon him some sort of omniscient knowledge about my life.

A few years later, another Capt asked me how I like flying with that guy. When I remarked about his strange, unsolicited advice about moving to Atlanta, this guy cracked up, saying, "He's giving advice? That guy lived at home with his mother until he was over forty years old and only moved out when he finally got married!". :laugh:

 

[slaquer5]

Yup. They're afraid that the other Pilot is going to put them in a situation that they can't recover from. . . . and instead, provide a "solution" that is worse than the problem.

I remember flying as FO with an old, former EAL Capt :erm: who would "recover" from every one of my landings at about 100 KIAS, saying, "I'll save us!" as he stomped on the brakes in a very jarring and uneven manner, spoiling every one of my landings with a ridiculously spastic rollout, convincing me that he either had two left feet or some sort of palsy.

This same clown would tell me, at random intervals throughout the trip, "You know, you really ought to consider moving to Atlanta". . . as if, somehow, his Captaincy also conferred upon him some sort of omniscient knowledge about my life.

A few years later, another Capt asked me how I like flying that guy. When I remarked about his strange, unsolicited advice about moving to Atlanta, this guy cracked up, saying, "He's giving advice? That guy lived at home with his mother until he was over forty years old and finally got married!". :laugh:

Glad to see the scab moved out of his mothers basement.


I am betting his wife is shagging everything she can get when he is gone .

 

[Kuma]

You people are amazing! Regardless of the..airline,number of incident/accidents,cause of them,Era of operation,etc. It is still about..MY AIRLINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS! As a result of the aforementioned, Lives were lost,careers lost, families changed forever. Hundreds of thousands of lives affected.Yet,still..you have the mindset that.. "I am worried that mine is smaller than everybody else..Therefore,my airline,airplane,watch,house,portfolio,pool,car and even my Dad... is bigger than yours !. Did I mention that I have a super hot wife,awesome girlfriend and my kids are super intelligent? Smarter than yours I'm sure".
You a$$clowns are spending time researching stuff that happened 5-10- 20-30 yrs ago..in order to prove who is better.

You wanna know who is better...The person with nothing to prove! He/she focuses on doing their job and living a life on their days off. BTW...They are better than me. They probably don't subscribe to this Donkeyshow!

I apologize for not being more clear. My point, is that you can use statistics to support any claim you want...if you are creative enough. That website chose a technique that makes Hawaiian look bad (or at least average).

Sure, I am proud of my airline. I've been to ground school where we go through previous accidents/incidents and study how not to put ourselves in that position. We have had very few, and the severity on them has been slight.

I look around me and I see professionals doing the job professionally, and it makes me wonder how this website can mark us down in this category.

So when I did my own research, I posted the results. If you, ron, want to refute them, then have at it.

In the end, my airline is not better than yours, it is simply well run by professionals. They are good at what they do and they do not deserve to be disenfranchised by some website stating mishap statistics that are statistically irrelevant.

~Kuma

 

[Jim]

Lets actually add some data to these wild speculations. These numbers are crunched by: http://www.airline-safety-records.com/

Here is their methodology: Data for all statistics were obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration, the NTSB, and the U.S. Department of Transportation. Since some airlines fly much more often than others, a raw count of accidents, incidents, and near mid-air collisions would not give an accurate picture of how safe one airline is compared to another. Therefore all statistics are reported as a number per 1,000,000 takeoffs. For example, if an airline flew 5,000,000 takeoffs during the year and had 10 accidents it would be reported as having 2 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Again, if another airline flew only 500,000 takeoffs during the same year and had the same number of accidents (10 accidents) they would be reported as having 20 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Clearly the second airline is less safe than the first (even though they both had the same number of accidents during the year).
The limitation on the timeliness of the data provided in the tables is due to the fact that it may take several months for an aviation event to be recorded in the government's databases. Reliable data will therefore be several months old.

Here is the data:
5 Year Average
1/1/06 to 1/1/11
Accidents Per
1,000,000 T/O's

Expressjet Airlines 0
Frontier Airlines 0
Sun Country 0
Air Wisconsin 1
Alaska Airlines 1
Atlantic Southeast 1
Comair 1
Horizon 1
JetBlue Airways 1
AirTran Airways 2
Piedmont 2
Pinnacle Airlines 2
Skywest Airlines 2
Southwest Airlines 2
American Eagle Airlines 3
Continental Airlines 3
Hawaiian Airlines 3
Mesaba Airlines 3
PSA 3
American Airlines 4
Mesa Airlines 4
Trans States Airlines 5
US Airways 5
Delta 7
United 7

What are they defining as an accident? According to that site, Hawaiian had 15 acidents in 2010 and averages 3 per year. Pure bull********************. The last accident we've had was in 2000. We've never had a fatality or a hull loss.

Sorry for the formatting. I seached the NTSB database for all accidents/incidents on Hawaiian Airlines. 9 came up since 1964. I guess since we have few takeoffs compared to other airlines that one flight attendant getting hurt due to clear air turbulence in 2010 skews our numbers that much.

9 records meet your search criteria. A docket of supporting materials may exist for factual and probable cause reports. Please contact Records Management Division. Dockets are not available for preliminary reports.

Accident Database & Synopses Download XML Download Delimited Text Current SynopsisPDF Report(s)
(Published)
Event DateLocationMake/ModelRegist. NumberNTSB No.Event SeverityType of Air Carrier Operation and Carrier Name (Doing Business As) Probable Cause Factual(08/07/2012)

Probable Cause(10/04/2012)
12/3/2010Pago Pago, American Samoa BOEING 767 N584HAWPR11LA071NonfatalInternational Lease Finance Corp (DBA: Hawaiian Airlines) Probable Cause Factual(11/04/2006)

Probable Cause(01/31/2007)
1/11/2003KAHULUI, HI Boeing 717-200 N482HALAX03IA098Incident Probable Cause Factual(04/15/2003)

Probable Cause(05/30/2003)
6/14/2000Lihue, Kauai, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N649HALAX00FA229Nonfatal Probable Cause Factual(08/22/1998)

Probable Cause(02/16/2001)
2/9/1998HONOLULU, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N601APLAX98IA085IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. (DBA: HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC.) Probable Cause Factual(11/12/1996)

Probable Cause(12/16/1996)
8/8/1996HONOLULU, HI Douglas DC-9-51 N420EALAX96IA300Incident Probable Cause Factual
Probable Cause(06/11/1990)
8/20/1988HONOLULU, HI MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC9-51 N689HALAX88IA295IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. Probable Cause Factual(02/06/1995)

Probable Cause(02/06/1995)
12/22/1983HONOLULU, HI de Havilland DHC 7-102 N929HALAX84LA115Nonfatal Probable Cause
1/28/1968HILO, HI CONVAIR 640 N5510KOAK68A0056Nonfatal Probable Cause
2/13/1964HILO, HI CONVAIR CV-440 N5512KUnknownNonfatal

You people are amazing! Regardless of the..airline,number of incident/accidents,cause of them,Era of operation,etc. It is still about..MY AIRLINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS! As a result of the aforementioned, Lives were lost,careers lost, families changed forever. Hundreds of thousands of lives affected.Yet,still..you have the mindset that.. "I am worried that mine is smaller than everybody else..Therefore,my airline,airplane,watch,house,portfolio,pool,car and even my Dad... is bigger than yours !. Did I mention that I have a super hot wife,awesome girlfriend and my kids are super intelligent? Smarter than yours I'm sure".
You a$$clowns are spending time researching stuff that happened 5-10- 20-30 yrs ago..in order to prove who is better.

You wanna know who is better...The person with nothing to prove! He/she focuses on doing their job and living a life on their days off. BTW...They are better than me. They probably don't subscribe to this Donkeyshow!

Ron Burgundy - Your reading comprehension sucks. Understand the context of the post before stepping up on your soap box.

"My airline is better than yours" wasn't the reason for that list of Hawaiian accidents/incidents. A poster referenced a website that said Hawaiian averaged 3 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs over a 5 year period. As a Hawaiian pilot since 2001 I questioned this as the last accident I knew of was in 2000 (DC-10 runway overrun in Tahiti). The methodolgy of getting this figure was explained in a subsequent response and the accident/incident post was actually enlightening as it showed me such things as a FA getting injured due to unexpected turbulence was listed by the NTSB as an accident.

So this was nothing but an informative post in response to my question.

 

[ron burgundy]

Yeah..guess I just quoted the first thing I saw relevant to Aviation/accidents..Honestly, didn't even read it and the post was not directed at you specifically Kuma. My point was, the entire tone of the latter portion of this thread is..Your airline has crashed more jets than mine! It was directed at the mindset and mentality as a whole.