Southwest Nose Gear Collapse LGA

[slaquer5]

Wait, the second death attributed to Southwest... would that be the drug-addled young man who attacked the cockpit door during a flight not long after 9/11 and got beaten to death by our passengers and got carrier off the aircraft feet-first in SLC?

I was wondering if his death fell within your timeframe, can't remember what year that happened.

That was pre. 9/11. The media loved to beat on SWA and say what's wrong if he even got into the flight deck.



And once again I will have o remind everyone. Professional standard at SWA is a joke .

 

[freightdogfred]

Of course I am--just ask me. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that I'm my most favorite captain to fly with ever!

Bubba

Of this I have no doubt. It's a fact of Aviation that as a costar you have to fly with a whole bunch of azzholes. When you're a Captain you only have to fly with one.

 

[HowardBorden]

What are they defining as an accident? According to that site, Hawaiian had 15 acidents in 2010 and averages 3 per year. Pure bull********************. The last accident we've had was in 2000. We've never had a fatality or a hull loss.

Read the methodology, it is calculating per 1,000,000 takeoffs and extrapolating the figures.
Therefore all statistics are reported as a number per 1,000,000 takeoffs. For example, if an airline flew 5,000,000 takeoffs during the year and had 10 accidents it would be reported as having 2 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Again, if another airline flew only 500,000 takeoffs during the same year and had the same number of accidents (10 accidents) they would be reported as having 20 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs.

 

[HowardBorden]

What are they defining as an accident?

Again, from the methodology section of the website:
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[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA]"The NTSB classifies an "Aircraft accident" as "an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL, HELVETICA]"[/FONT]

Don't shoot the messenger! I found the info and website from another web board.

 

[Kuma]

Sorry for the formatting. I seached the NTSB database for all accidents/incidents on Hawaiian Airlines. 9 came up since 1964. I guess since we have few takeoffs compared to other airlines that one flight attendant getting hurt due to clear air turbulence in 2010 skews our numbers that much.

9 records meet your search criteria. A docket of supporting materials may exist for factual and probable cause reports. Please contact Records Management Division. Dockets are not available for preliminary reports.

Accident Database & Synopses Download XML Download Delimited Text Current SynopsisPDF Report(s)
(Published)
Event DateLocationMake/ModelRegist. NumberNTSB No.Event SeverityType of Air Carrier Operation and Carrier Name (Doing Business As) Probable Cause Factual(08/07/2012)

Probable Cause(10/04/2012)
12/3/2010Pago Pago, American Samoa BOEING 767 N584HAWPR11LA071NonfatalInternational Lease Finance Corp (DBA: Hawaiian Airlines) Probable Cause Factual(11/04/2006)

Probable Cause(01/31/2007)
1/11/2003KAHULUI, HI Boeing 717-200 N482HALAX03IA098Incident Probable Cause Factual(04/15/2003)

Probable Cause(05/30/2003)
6/14/2000Lihue, Kauai, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N649HALAX00FA229Nonfatal Probable Cause Factual(08/22/1998)

Probable Cause(02/16/2001)
2/9/1998HONOLULU, HI McDonnell Douglas DC-9-51 N601APLAX98IA085IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. (DBA: HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC.) Probable Cause Factual(11/12/1996)

Probable Cause(12/16/1996)
8/8/1996HONOLULU, HI Douglas DC-9-51 N420EALAX96IA300Incident Probable Cause Factual
Probable Cause(06/11/1990)
8/20/1988HONOLULU, HI MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC9-51 N689HALAX88IA295IncidentHAWAIIAN AIRLINES, INC. Probable Cause Factual(02/06/1995)

Probable Cause(02/06/1995)
12/22/1983HONOLULU, HI de Havilland DHC 7-102 N929HALAX84LA115Nonfatal Probable Cause
1/28/1968HILO, HI CONVAIR 640 N5510KOAK68A0056Nonfatal Probable Cause
2/13/1964HILO, HI CONVAIR CV-440 N5512KUnknownNonfatal

 

[SWA Bubba]

That was pre. 9/11. The media loved to beat on SWA and say what's wrong if he even got into the flight deck.



And once again I will have o remind everyone. Professional standard at SWA is a joke .

That incident happened in August 2000, and the passenger's death was listed by every article I could find as, "as a result of his own criminal activity," or relates the fellow passengers who killed him (ostensibly accidentally) as "in their own defense..."

His family sued Southwest (alleging that it was somehow the company's fault that he went bonkers and the other passengers restrained him to the point of his death), and the case was just starting to hit the courts the following year when 9/11 happened. From what I understand, the family lawyers dropped the case soon after, realizing that they wouldn't get any sympathy from a jury after 9/11 showed what crazy people entering the cockpit in flight might accomplish.

Bubba

 

[Tejas-Jet]

But we don't do anything about them, unless you count putting them on your Avoidance Bid. I'm guilty of that behavior, only went to Pro-Standards and the Chiefs one time in all my FO years.

... all of which appears to be relevant to this discussion.

Au Contrare', mon frere. We can do something about them...more than Pro-Stan or Aviodance Bid can do...but, it takes a concentrated effort and nads.

Pack up and walk off the airplane. That's it.

Use quotes/passages from the FOM/AOM/Corporate Mission Statement/Commitment to Employees etc., to back up why you walked off the acft, plus what you tried to do to mitigate the situation, ie, discuss the unprofessional behavior observed.

The Chiefs will have no choice but to get involved. And the more people who do this, the more that Pilot's behavior will come under the microscope, the Chiefs options will become more and more limited.

Believe me, you walk off an airplane, that gets everyone's attention at the G.O....and it puts the spotlight on the cockroach.

 

[Ty Webb]

Have you ever flown with "that Captain," the one who doesn't trust you to fly the aircraft? The one who is all over the controls when you're the PF? To the point that you can't tell if anything you're feeling as you fly was 1. your own input, 2. a gust or bit of wake turbulence or 3. an input from the PNF who's "ghosting you" on the controls?

Probably most of us here have flown with this type of Captain, and if you're like me you hated every single minute of the trip and for some reason this sort of treatment makes you fly badly (just the opposite of the great Captain who treats you like he trusts you).

Have you ever flown with the extreme version of "that Captain" who will cut your flare short by pushing the yoke forward as if you had to be prevented from running the aircraft off the end of the runway?

Well, the word on the street in my neighborhood says...

I've flown with that type of Captain, as have we all (nicely summarized, btw).
I have to admit, when I saw the data on change in pitch attitude, this is the first thought that came to mind as well.

 

[nordo_2]

Au Contrare', mon frere. We can do something about them...more than Pro-Stan or Aviodance Bid can do...but, it takes a concentrated effort and nads.

Pack up and walk off the airplane. That's it.

Use quotes/passages from the FOM/AOM/Corporate Mission Statement/Commitment to Employees etc., to back up why you walked off the acft, plus what you tried to do to mitigate the situation, ie, discuss the unprofessional behavior observed.

The Chiefs will have no choice but to get involved. And the more people who do this, the more that Pilot's behavior will come under the microscope, the Chiefs options will become more and more limited.

Believe me, you walk off an airplane, that gets everyone's attention at the G.O....and it puts the spotlight on the cockroach.

Extreme as it can be, I brought this up in another thread. For these few cases, Pro-Standards is worthless. Although SWA does have a bid-avoidance list. That makes it easier, and more non-confrontational.

 

[madjack]

We need more military trained pilots