Southwest Nose Gear Collapse LGA

[instructordude]

Go Around, Your High, Your Low, Your Slow, Your Fast, Sink Rate....I think that about covers them.

One words is all it takes. "Go Around" Questions?

 

[redflyer65]

What geniuses!

 

[Tweaker]

SWA Bubba, I've been with you up until now. You really lost me at "we taxi at FAA approved speeds."

No reason to bullchit us bullchitters, magne. Just because I don't get pulled over and get a ticket when I go 80 on the interstate does not make it Highway Patrol approved speeding.


There sure are a lot of twunts in teh back running their adult pacifiers ("smart ass phones") while the plane is landing. LGA cattle is my least favorite cattle. I pity our FA's who have to deal with them.

Last trips' DH had me sitting next to a fool who unbuckled while the buckets were still deployed, (while I'm next to him in uniform), failed in his attempt to bash his way past everyone in the aisle to get to the front of the plane 200 feet in front of the gate, and yell repeatedly for everyone ahead to get moving. I was actually wishing one our FO's would yet again "accidentally" set the parking brake on the captain on his after landing flow and break this member of the NYC's chosen people's nose.

On the flight up, while on a very short taxi in, some turd blows off the FA to go pinch a loaf WHILE WE ARE CROSSING AN ACTIVE RUNWAY. F all these people. The demonstrated improvement in respect, cooperation and compliance toward crew members after 9/11 has long since fallen away. We are back to trucking childish, self centered disgusting fat bodies.

I should just go ahead and get myself an M1 Garand, because I already hate most people, on my lawn or not.

 

[SWA Bubba]

One words is all it takes. "Go Around" Questions?

Other than that actually being TWO words, you probably have a point.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

I actually think you might be fun to fly with.


Everyone be safe out there.

Of course I am--just ask me. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that I'm my most favorite captain to fly with ever!

Bubba

 

[Sparse]

US Airways has never ever crashed.....

Don't remember the date but USAir put on in the water off RW 31 LGA during an unnecessary abort. I knew the Captain.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Do you always answer your own questions?

I was answering it for you because you are blabbering out of your backside.

I am the idiot?

Well, yes!!

 

[climbhappy]

WWSD what would Sully Do?

 

[OPECJet]

WWSD what would Sully Do?

He wouldn't have made it far enough to knock the nose gear off.

 

[waveflyer]

Nope, but seeing that Bubba and I are both military, when the Admiral says guys fly A to B safely, we are gonna happily do it and get along. Nothing personal. Called being mission orientated.

I was thinking the same thing texman!
Haha

Every leg is a "mission" to me too

Bubba- hating is a compliment- but you defend us pretty well- better than I would- they actually believe their "safety card" mentality is real bc they've been doing it so long- they can't understand that there's a group out there NOT going to war with their own management and company- and they've been at that pad the check, screw the company slow game for so long that they forgot their unchallengeable safety excuse for doing it is actually just an excuse

 

[Juniority]

News reporting that they landed nose first.

So what would the PNF be doing as the PF landed nose first?

Fatigue?

Have you ever flown with "that Captain," the one who doesn't trust you to fly the aircraft? The one who is all over the controls when you're the PF? To the point that you can't tell if anything you're feeling as you fly was 1. your own input, 2. a gust or bit of wake turbulence or 3. an input from the PNF who's "ghosting you" on the controls?

Probably most of us here have flown with this type of Captain, and if you're like me you hated every single minute of the trip and for some reason this sort of treatment makes you fly badly (just the opposite of the great Captain who treats you like he trusts you).

Have you ever flown with the extreme version of "that Captain" who will cut your flare short by pushing the yoke forward as if you had to be prevented from running the aircraft off the end of the runway?

Well, the word on the street in my neighborhood says...

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Is LGA a captain only airport? What other airports are?

 

[waveflyer]

No- LGA is not-

Juniority- yeah- it becomes a self fulfilled prophecy pretty quick- and it's usually those that can't fly well themselves but are so ego centric that they think everyone struggles like they do, hence their need to help and lack of trust-

Those types need to go IMO-

Not everybody can do this job and that's ok-

If somebody does something bat sh/t crazy Id like to think we'd be quick enough to correct it or go around- but by grace go I...

 

[redflyer65]

Have you ever flown with "that Captain," the one who doesn't trust you to fly the aircraft? The one who is all over the controls when you're the PF? To the point that you can't tell if anything you're feeling as you fly was 1. your own input, 2. a gust or bit of wake turbulence or 3. an input from the PNF who's "ghosting you" on the controls?

Probably most of us here have flown with this type of Captain, and if you're like me you hated every single minute of the trip and for some reason this sort of treatment makes you fly badly (just the opposite of the great Captain who treats you like he trusts you).

Have you ever flown with the extreme version of "that Captain" who will cut your flare short by pushing the yoke forward as if you had to be prevented from running the aircraft off the end of the runway?

Well, the word on the street in my neighborhood says...

Yes I have. I'd honestly just like to know ahead of time so I can work the radios all day. I don't like not knowing who's in control. If its the other guy all day long, at least you know where you stand.

 

[Juniority]

If somebody does something bat sh/t crazy Id like to think we'd be quick enough to correct it or go around- but by grace go I...

But we don't do anything about them, unless you count putting them on your Avoidance Bid. I'm guilty of that behavior, only went to Pro-Standards and the Chiefs one time in all my FO years.

... all of which appears to be relevant to this discussion.

 

[Skybus]

Yep Junior, same whisper on my street corner as well.

 

[ATLplt]

Have you ever flown with "that Captain," the one who doesn't trust you to fly the aircraft? The one who is all over the controls when you're the PF? To the point that you can't tell if anything you're feeling as you fly was 1. your own input, 2. a gust or bit of wake turbulence or 3. an input from the PNF who's "ghosting you" on the controls?

I have a way to combat that. It's called "You have the aircraft".

I get paid the same to fly or talk on the radios. You feel the need to "save us" Captain Dillhole, you go right ahead.

 

[HowardBorden]

I had really hoped the safety culture at SW had changed. Thank goodness there were only minor injuries.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying i think there could be a culture there that incourages fuel savings and on time over safety. I hope i'm wrong.

Guys talk is cheap. It's fact that SWA has wrecked a lot of jets in the last ten years. Somebody better take a closer look.

You arrogant SOB, you ran into a gas station in Cali and killed an innocent bystander in MY city, Chicago. You bitches have just been lucky.

So they say it could happen to anyone, but why so many for Southwest?
Things that make you go hrmmm...

Accidents happen, but when you always taxi faster than everybody else, and you always fly the approach faster than everybody else, you have to accept responsibility for accidents, when they happen.

Lets actually add some data to these wild speculations. These numbers are crunched by: http://www.airline-safety-records.com/

Here is their methodology: Data for all statistics were obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration, the NTSB, and the U.S. Department of Transportation. Since some airlines fly much more often than others, a raw count of accidents, incidents, and near mid-air collisions would not give an accurate picture of how safe one airline is compared to another. Therefore all statistics are reported as a number per 1,000,000 takeoffs. For example, if an airline flew 5,000,000 takeoffs during the year and had 10 accidents it would be reported as having 2 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Again, if another airline flew only 500,000 takeoffs during the same year and had the same number of accidents (10 accidents) they would be reported as having 20 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Clearly the second airline is less safe than the first (even though they both had the same number of accidents during the year).
The limitation on the timeliness of the data provided in the tables is due to the fact that it may take several months for an aviation event to be recorded in the government's databases. Reliable data will therefore be several months old.

Here is the data:
5 Year Average
1/1/06 to 1/1/11
Accidents Per
1,000,000 T/O's

Expressjet Airlines 0
Frontier Airlines 0
Sun Country 0
Air Wisconsin 1
Alaska Airlines 1
Atlantic Southeast 1
Comair 1
Horizon 1
JetBlue Airways 1
AirTran Airways 2
Piedmont 2
Pinnacle Airlines 2
Skywest Airlines 2
Southwest Airlines 2
American Eagle Airlines 3
Continental Airlines 3
Hawaiian Airlines 3
Mesaba Airlines 3
PSA 3
American Airlines 4
Mesa Airlines 4
Trans States Airlines 5
US Airways 5
Delta 7
United 7

 

[Juniority]

Wait, the second death attributed to Southwest... would that be the drug-addled young man who attacked the cockpit door during a flight not long after 9/11 and got beaten to death by our passengers and got carrier off the aircraft feet-first in SLC?

I was wondering if his death fell within your timeframe, can't remember what year that happened.

 

[Jim]

Lets actually add some data to these wild speculations. These numbers are crunched by: http://www.airline-safety-records.com/

Here is their methodology: Data for all statistics were obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration, the NTSB, and the U.S. Department of Transportation. Since some airlines fly much more often than others, a raw count of accidents, incidents, and near mid-air collisions would not give an accurate picture of how safe one airline is compared to another. Therefore all statistics are reported as a number per 1,000,000 takeoffs. For example, if an airline flew 5,000,000 takeoffs during the year and had 10 accidents it would be reported as having 2 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Again, if another airline flew only 500,000 takeoffs during the same year and had the same number of accidents (10 accidents) they would be reported as having 20 accidents per 1,000,000 takeoffs. Clearly the second airline is less safe than the first (even though they both had the same number of accidents during the year).
The limitation on the timeliness of the data provided in the tables is due to the fact that it may take several months for an aviation event to be recorded in the government's databases. Reliable data will therefore be several months old.

Here is the data:
5 Year Average
1/1/06 to 1/1/11
Accidents Per
1,000,000 T/O's

Expressjet Airlines 0
Frontier Airlines 0
Sun Country 0
Air Wisconsin 1
Alaska Airlines 1
Atlantic Southeast 1
Comair 1
Horizon 1
JetBlue Airways 1
AirTran Airways 2
Piedmont 2
Pinnacle Airlines 2
Skywest Airlines 2
Southwest Airlines 2
American Eagle Airlines 3
Continental Airlines 3
Hawaiian Airlines 3
Mesaba Airlines 3
PSA 3
American Airlines 4
Mesa Airlines 4
Trans States Airlines 5
US Airways 5
Delta 7
United 7

What are they defining as an accident? According to that site, Hawaiian had 15 acidents in 2010 and averages 3 per year. Pure bull********************. The last accident we've had was in 2000. We've never had a fatality or a hull loss.