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Accident: Southwest B737 at New York on Jul 22nd 2013, nose gear collapse on landing
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By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Jul 23rd 2013 01:53Z, last updated Friday, Jul 26th 2013 04:41Z
On Jul 26th the NTSB reported that the cockpit voice recorder contained 2 hours of good data including the entire flight from Nashville, the flight data recorder contained 27 hours of data including the flight from Nashville. According to the flight data recorder the flaps were extended from 30 to 40 degrees 56 seconds prior to touch down, the aircraft flared reaching 134 KIAS and an attitude of 2 degrees nose up at 32 feet AGL, then dropped the nose to 3 degrees nose down at touchdown at 133 KIAS about 4 seconds later. The aircraft stopped about 19 seconds after touchdown. Flight data as well as evidential videos suggest the nose gear made contact with the runway prior to the main landing gear.
 
Have some downtime here at the FBO. Looks like SWA flies 1,200,000 legs a year. As a percentage, they are pretty darn safe. Ten years is 12,000,000 legs.
 
zymotic said:
It would be like an East and West crew typical encounter.
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You are incorrect. Ran into a west crew on some island, one of their guys bought us dinner, we bought them drinks afterwards.

Contrary to popular belief, not all east guys hate west guys, and not all west guys hate east guys.

Hopefully the typical encounters will be positive.

We are eventually gonna start flying together.

FI is not an accurate sampling of professional pilots.
 
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Hpilot said:
He'll bring up everyone else's safety issues and ignore his company's own. It's like talking to an alcoholic. Complete denial and it's everyone else?s fault.
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Nice post. Too bad it's complete crap.

I don't bring up "everyone else's safety issues" while ignoring Southwest's. I only brought up DCA's company record after his ridiculous post feigning outrage like we killed a kid (in HIS city, by God!) on purpose or something. That doesn't sound like "everyone's" safety record to me. Can't you count any higher than one, HPilot?

A lot of you haters (and you're one of the biggest in this regard, HPilot) go on and on about Southwest's safety record, and act like it's the worst. Then they somehow neglect to mention or remember that their own company's record is much worse, which is of course exactly what you accused me of. A pathetic attempt at deflection, by the way.

I'd be happy to talk about our safety record. Not that I need to, because I can count on one of YOU guys to bring up everything you can think of no matter what happens. However, you always seem to forget to talk about other airlines, when something happens to them. Gee, I wonder why. Hey, I have an idea--let's talk about YOUR airline's record when we're done talking about SWA, okay HPilot?

Southwest's "worst accidents" in our entire 42-plus year history:

BUR overrun (#1455)-- zero fatalities or serious injuries; plane was written off after it was determined it wasn't cost-effective to fix. And despite DCA's inexplicably angry accusations, we did NOT "hit a gas station in Cali[fornia]."

MDW overrun (#1248)-- one fatality on the ground, zero fatalities or serious injuries (on the plane); aircraft repaired and returned to service.

AMA depart the side of runway during landing (#2066)-- zero fatalities or injuries of any sort; aircraft repaired and returned to service.

LGA hard landing (#345)-- zero fatalities or serious injuries; aircraft will be repaired and returned to service.

And of course a handful of "off the pavement" incidents with no fatalities or injuries, all with minor or no damage (#1919, 1905, 4695).


Anything ELSE you'd like to talk about? If i've missed anything, please let me know. i'd hate to be accused of sugar-coating anything. The sum of all the accidents in Southwest's entire life history totals one aircraft written off and parted out, and one ground fatality from the most unlikely method imaginable (and yes, I know we're still responsible regardless), and most importantly, ZERO passengers or crew ever killed or seriously injured.

Yet the few of you take a disturbing amount of glee in gloating anytime something happens to Southwest, and then pretend that we have the worst safety record out there. The fact is, that by all measures quantifiable, Southwest has one of, if not THE, best safety record out there.

Okay, all you equal-opportunity professional safety inspectors, let's all line up to compare your company's record.... Who wants to be first?

Bubba
 
Sure, I read them, and was already familiar with most of them. Here's a couple of annotations that you may or may not have forgotten:

Dornier 335 said:
Why don't you calm down and read up on those five accidents before you start making comparisons?

Quick description of those five accidents:

20 September 1989, Flight 5050, B734, Deflection of rudder during takeoff. Pilot error with multiple passenger fatalities.

01 February 1991, Flight 1493, B734, ATC controller separation error

22 March 1992, Flight 405, FK28-4, Improper deicing procedures, pilot error with multiple passenger fatalities

02 July 1994, Flight 1016, DC-9-32, windshear during missed approach. Also attributed to pilot error, and multiple passenger fatalities.

08 September 1994, Flight 427, B733, uncommanded rudder deflection
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Anyway, the point was not to disparage USAir (or any other airline), but to point out DCA's glaring and absurd hypocrisy in his post with the "outrage" about daring to defend Southwest's safety record. His implication was that we had the worst record, despite the facts not bearing out his assertion in the slightest.

Bubba
 
SWA Bubba said:
Sure, I read them, and was already familiar with most of them. Here's a couple of annotations that you may or may not have forgotten:




Anyway, the point was not to disparage USAir (or any other airline), but to point out DCA's glaring and absurd hypocrisy in his post with the "outrage" about daring to defend Southwest's safety record. His implication was that we had the worst record, despite the facts not bearing out his assertion in the slightest.

Bubba
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Hey dickhead, you continue to bring up ******************** 20 - 24 years ago, I wasn't at AAA at that time. I never said you had the worst record, only, once again, for the 3rd time, you were lucky. Your airline shows an absolute disregard for safety, regardless of your record.

At BUR your guys touched down at 182 knots, ********************ing lucky asswipe.

Enough, no more replies to your stupid ass.
 
Ah yes, Kwick-- another of those Internet bozos who takes sport and perverse pleasure in Southwest's misfortunes (and for some reason, only Southwest).

kwick said:
Accidents happen, but when you always taxi faster than everybody else,

There's never been any accident or incident attributable, even in part, to Southwest taxi speeds. Let me say that again: NEVER. We taxi at FAA- approved speeds--we just don't intentionally taxi at ridiculously slow speeds to pad our paychecks, or just to piss off our employer, like some other carriers.

and you always fly the approach faster than everybody else, you have to
accept responsibility for accidents, when they happen.

And since when haven't we "taken responsibility" for any accidents? You guys talk about them, and hell, I just personally recounted them all.

When you you don't hire the best pilots available, you have to accept the
consequences..

Come again? What's your argument's basis here? Southwest's hiring minimums and required ratings are higher than any other major out there, plus all of out pilots are captain qualified on day one (type rated). You guys are always giving us grief about that requirement, and now you're arguing the opposite? You're arguing the same thing out of both sides of your ass. Make up your mind.

And again, we always accept the consequences... Fortunately, the consequences have thus far always been less than the OTHER airlines' consequences. While there obviously IS some amount of good luck involved, it's also attributable to a lot of hard work on our part.

The "Buddy system" doesn't work when it comes to safety!

Damn! I always thought it did. I guess I won't ask the other pilot to monitor anything I do when I'm flying anymore, since it apparently "doesn't work when it comes to safety." Thanks for enlightening me; don't forget to point this out to the FAA and CRM instructors the world over.
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You know, I realize that you're in the SWA-haters club and all, but at least some of the other club members start with a few facts before they distort them. I don't even know what the hell you're babbling about most of the time.

Bubba
 
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DCAA320 said:
Hey dickhead, you continue to bring up ******************** 20 - 24 years ago, I wasn't at AAA at that time. I never said you had the worst record, only, once again, for the 3rd time, you were lucky. Your airline shows an absolute disregard for safety, regardless of your record.

At BUR your guys touched down at 182 knots, ********************ing lucky asswipe.

Enough, no more replies to your stupid ass.
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Got it; thanks. That was much more clear and eloquent. Not to mention "not angry." Our airline obviously "shows an absolute disregard for safety," despite our sterling safety record, ... because you say so.

And every other airline is a shining example of professional safety and awareness, despite most having not-as-good safety records.

It makes perfect sense now. I appreciate your clarification.

Bubba

PS By the way, just like your disclaimer, I wasn't at SWA at the time of the BUR accident either--does that relieve me of being a "*******************ing lucky asswipe" in your eyes? I'd hate to think we weren't still friends.
 
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