Southwest Nose Gear Collapse LGA

[trip]

So what would the PNF be doing as the PF landed nose first?

Clenching the seat cushion and thinking this is going to be ugly?

 

[Hpilot]

Well, i better sign off. Since some Southwest pilot is sure to post it..... no i never was turned down by Southwest, i don't even remember completing an app. My dream airlines were American and Alaska. See, dreams do come true

 

[The Gimp]

If you don't think this could happen to you, I would never want to be a passenger on your airplane.

Humility is the most important trait of any pilot. The lack of humility can hurt other people when it comes to aviation. Thinking otherwise is only fooling yourself.

100% agree.

There has been similar accidents, and the common trait between them is the simple fact that a go around was not initiated. Some crews were recorded after such accidents saying that, "if someone would have said go around" a little nudge perhaps, then the next call would have been "Go around thrust". Not saying this is the case in this accident BTW.

It takes both guys up front to tango.

 

[xanderman]

Guys talk is cheap. It's fact that SWA has wrecked a lot of jets in the last ten years. Somebody better take a closer look.

 

[Dash Power]

Guys talk is cheap. It's fact that SWA has wrecked a lot of jets in the last ten years. Somebody better take a closer look.

Name all the "Jets" we have wrecked the past 10 years.

Glass houses.

This sucks for any airline.

 

[XR650R]

When I first got to SW in the mid-nineties, some of the statements above were basically correct. I remember thinking to myself "are these guys for real?". That was then and this is now. Now, it's polar opposite. Seriously. I can't speak for what happened in LGA but "SLOW THE F DOWN" has been a mantra for some time now. Go-arounds are mandatory if you do not meet stabilized approach criteria by 1000' AGL. No wiggle room there. I'm still shaking my head trying to figure out how this could have happened.

 

[scoreboardII]

I mentioned to one of your co-workers/ friend that in training at AWA we were going over go around procedures because the company after reviewing landing data felt go-arounds weren't being performed when they should have been. He laughed and said, "you'll never see that at Southwest, in fact go-arounds are discouraged." How many 737's have you guys taken off roading compared to everyone else? You can either stick your head in the sand and break out the SW pomp pomps or admit you've got a safety culture problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away, it's just gonna get people killed.

The only pompous ass here is your statement. SWA gets paid extra to go around, no harm no foul, your source is jacked or as noted above or ten years behind the timeline of what happens now.

How many times have you gone around? Please don't say plenty.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Guys talk is cheap. It's fact that SWA has wrecked a lot of jets in the last ten years. Somebody better take a closer look.

Really, dumbass?

In the last ten years, Southwest has wrecked exactly ZERO jets. That's zero. In fact, in over 42 years of operation, only ONE jet has ever been written off (BUR overrun in 2000, an accident involving an older -300, with zero fatalities, and zero serious injuries), because it wasn't cost-effective to repair.

Southwest has NEVER killed a passenger, and has only had one fatality attributed to our operation (6-year old Joshua Woods in the 2005 MDW accident, who choked to death after the overrun plane hit his parent's car and he was stuck inside). Aside from the BUR plane, this was the most serious damage ever done to a Southwest airplane, and the airplane was repaired and returned to service, and is still flying today.

What airline do YOU work for, Xanderman? Would you like to compare safety records? Or would you just prefer to keep talking out of your ass? You ARE right about one thing, however--talk IS cheap. And somebody SHOULD take a closer look. At how ignorant and stupid your remarks are.

Bubba

 

[scoreboardII]

US Airways has never ever crashed.....

 

[SWA Bubba]

I mentioned to one of your co-workers/ friend that in training at AWA we were going over go around procedures because the company after reviewing landing data felt go-arounds weren't being performed when they should have been. He laughed and said, "you'll never see that at Southwest, in fact go-arounds are discouraged." How many 737's have you guys taken off roading compared to everyone else? You can either stick your head in the sand and break out the SW pomp pomps or admit you've got a safety culture problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away, it's just gonna get people killed.

How many planes have we "taken off-roading compared to everyone else"? Well, fewer than Delta (and its Delta Connections) in the last year alone. The last five or so such incidents have been them. We don't make such a big deal about it, because minor sh1t like that happens to everyone. However when it happens to us, all the forum idiots like you go on for 20 pages on FI about our "safety culture" and "dangerous" taxiing. Do you know how many incidents of any kind at Southwest, in our history, that have been attributed to taxi speeds? Zero. Your Southwest "evidence" of safety culture is just anecdotal BS ("I've got a friend at Southwest who says..." Yeah, sure you do.)

Tell us about YOUR airline, HPilot. Seriously. I'd be happy to compare safety records. How many passengers we each fly, and how many passenger fatalities we're responsible for. Our head is not in the sand, and we don't "ignore" safety issues. And the way we do business isn't "gonna get people killed," no matter how much you blabber about it anonymously, and no matter how much you'd obviously like to see that happen just so you can say, "I told you so."

Bubba