Southwest Nose Gear Collapse LGA

[Muppets]

I would have thought that during the training for a 737 type the instructor would have mentioned the mains touch first.

 

[redflyer65]

Tanker, I think you're over simplifying this with that comment. One similarity between Asiana and this WN accident is that they both warranted a go-around and they both continued to the crash. I think that all air carriers (at least in this country) flight ops policy is that "go-arounds are free". If you are on an approach that warrants a miss, and you continue and there's an accident I would not call it a "this could happen to any of us" thing.

Wow. Can you email me ahead of time when I should go around? You know, before you know any details?

Thanks.

 

[tankerhead]

Tanker, I think you're over simplifying this with that comment. One similarity between Asiana and this WN accident is that they both warranted a go-around and they both continued to the crash. I think that all air carriers (at least in this country) flight ops policy is that "go-arounds are free". If you are on an approach that warrants a miss, and you continue and there's an accident I would not call it a "this could happen to any of us" thing.

Are you so perfect that you've never continued an approach or landing that "warrants a miss"? Have you never thanked your lucky stars after such an occurrence? Do you always make the perfect snap-second decision at 150 knots 2 seconds prior to touchdown?

I wish I was sh!t-hot like you, man.

 

[The Gimp]

News reporting that they landed nose first.

So what would the PNF be doing as the PF landed nose first?

Fatigue?

 

[Sy-bill]

If you don't think this could happen to you, I would never want to be a passenger on your airplane.

Humility is the most important trait of any pilot. The lack of humility can hurt other people when it comes to aviation. Thinking otherwise is only fooling yourself.

 

[SKC]

Prior to the previous string of off runway excursions i had heard go-arounds were discouraged. I had really hoped the safety culture at SW had changed. Thank goodness there were only minor injuries.

Wow.

Absolutely told to never go around under any circumstance, and if you have fuel to taxi to the gate, you've loaded too much in the first place. Weight and balance forms are just suggestions and all maintenance items are taken care of when and if there's time after nap time.

 

[Hpilot]

GMAFB.

Where do you people get this nonsense?

Go arounds were NEVER discouraged, officially, or unofficially at SW.

SW still has one of the best safety records of any airline, and is far better than most.

I mentioned to one of your co-workers/ friend that in training at AWA we were going over go around procedures because the company after reviewing landing data felt go-arounds weren't being performed when they should have been. He laughed and said, "you'll never see that at Southwest, in fact go-arounds are discouraged." How many 737's have you guys taken off roading compared to everyone else? You can either stick your head in the sand and break out the SW pomp pomps or admit you've got a safety culture problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away, it's just gonna get people killed.

 

[SKC]

You can either stick your head in the sand and break out the SW pomp pomps or admit you've got a safety culture problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away, it's just gonna get people killed.

Ignorant statement #2. Third time is a charm.

Besides, I just put my "pomp pomps" away.

 

[Hpilot]

Wow.

Absolutely told to never go around under any circumstance, and if you have fuel to taxi to the gate, you've loaded too much in the first place. Weight and balance forms are just suggestions and all maintenance items are taken care of when and if there's time after nap time.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying i think there could be a culture there that incourages fuel savings and on time over safety. I hope i'm wrong.

 

[Hpilot]

Ignorant statement #2. Third time is a charm.

Besides, I just put my "pomp pomps" away.

How's that sand taste? Or maybe in the sand isn't where your head is. Yuck

 

[trip]

So what would the PNF be doing as the PF landed nose first?

Clenching the seat cushion and thinking this is going to be ugly?

 

[Hpilot]

Well, i better sign off. Since some Southwest pilot is sure to post it..... no i never was turned down by Southwest, i don't even remember completing an app. My dream airlines were American and Alaska. See, dreams do come true

 

[The Gimp]

If you don't think this could happen to you, I would never want to be a passenger on your airplane.

Humility is the most important trait of any pilot. The lack of humility can hurt other people when it comes to aviation. Thinking otherwise is only fooling yourself.

100% agree.

There has been similar accidents, and the common trait between them is the simple fact that a go around was not initiated. Some crews were recorded after such accidents saying that, "if someone would have said go around" a little nudge perhaps, then the next call would have been "Go around thrust". Not saying this is the case in this accident BTW.

It takes both guys up front to tango.

 

[xanderman]

Guys talk is cheap. It's fact that SWA has wrecked a lot of jets in the last ten years. Somebody better take a closer look.

 

[Dash Power]

Guys talk is cheap. It's fact that SWA has wrecked a lot of jets in the last ten years. Somebody better take a closer look.

Name all the "Jets" we have wrecked the past 10 years.

Glass houses.

This sucks for any airline.