SkyWest IAH Base, What If ?

[Dubya]

easy on the profanity there junior.

you might not believe it's SkyWest's fault, others believe biding that flying is a mistake and not right.

Junior? Ha! Thanks! Okay, i'll say goshdarnit and shucksiedarn and friggin'. My grandpa was a sailor.

There's two "d's" in "bidding".

Stop trying to put this off on Skywest pilots. Seriously. It's so goshdarn friggin' unbelieveably lame. Their company opens up a base that's closer to home or family, what the flock do you expect them to do? Would you rather they let junior Skywest pilots be dragged displaced from home to fill that base? I mean, I get it, you look down from your giant 737 on regional pukes now, but put yourself in their shoes. It looks like you were there once too?

Judas H. Titty Flopping Priest! It's your flipping contract! Fix it yourselves!

 

[BID]

Junior? Ha! Thanks! Okay, i'll say goshdarnit and shucksiedarn and friggin'. My grandpa was a sailor.

There's two "d's" in "bidding".

Stop trying to put this off on Skywest pilots. Seriously. It's so goshdarn friggin' unbelieveably lame. Their company opens up a base that's closer to home or family, what the flock do you expect them to do? Would you rather they let junior Skywest pilots be dragged displaced from home to fill that base? I mean, I get it, you look down from your giant 737 on regional pukes now, but put yourself in their shoes. It looks like you were there once too?

Judas H. Titty Flopping Priest! It's your flipping contract! Fix it yourselves!

I would not bid IAH. Here is what is lame, a non-union airline coming in violating our contract and undermining our leverage. We are trying to fix this mess, and those that have bid IAH are NOT helping. Now if we lose this arbitration then so be it. Consequence of a merger? I guess so, it will be a big lose for labor and a big lose for CAL pilots. Especially, since unlike other ALPA carriers we never gave in on scope. We never sold scope. But if the arbitrator decides that due to the the merger, we have no contract violation then the, "Hail Mary," from management will have paid off. If this happens, we all lose, even your beloved SkyWest.

The 737 is not that much bigger or higher than a regional jet. The ego here is from you not me. I look down at no one and most at CAL are just trying to regain what has been lost in this industry.

 

[Dubya]

I would not bid IAH. Here is what is lame, a non-union airline coming in violating our contract and undermining our leverage. We are trying to fix this mess, and those that have bid IAH are NOT helping. Now if we lose this arbitration then so be it. Consequence of a merger? I guess so, it will be a big lose for labor and a big lose for CAL pilots. Especially, since unlike other ALPA carriers we never gave in on scope. We never sold scope. But if the arbitrator decides that due to the the merger, we have no contract violation then the, "Hail Mary," from management will have paid off. If this happens, we all lose, even your beloved SkyWest.

The 737 is not that much bigger or higher than a regional jet. The ego here is from you not me. I look down at no one and most at CAL are just trying to regain what has been lost in this industry.

You aren't paying close attention BID. Skywest pilots have no control over what United and Skywest management do. CAL pilots hold the ultimate nuke. WALK OUT. I am on CAL pilots' side. I want the flying to go to mainline. What i'm sick of is major airline pilots, WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE, trying to pawn off their own fight to regional pilots. It's unprofessional, and, speaking of childish and juvenile, it's like blaming the JV team when the Varsity can't hack it. What the flock do they have to do with it? NOTHING. So I should give up my job and the only carreer path available to a pilot to protect YOUR CONTRACT?? Seriously?

EVERY single Skywest pilot that bid IAH had to do so because the company put it out before the issue was resolved. Should they have forced junior pilots to uproot and go? Should they have waited til' CAL pilots strike? CAL pilots will roll over for some extra scraps or perhaps nothing at all. Watch. Make me eat crow. Please. I have extra spicy BBQ sauce saved up.

 

[captain822]

I hope I'm wrong on this, but I'm willing to bet that Continental pilots will be willing to relax the scope with a 15-20% pay raise. Here's my rationale. Looking at the top of the payscale, they are the highest paid legacy pilots. A quick look at Airline Pilots Central and some simple math reveals:

Continental: $193 x 72 hours guarantee = $13896
Delta: $209 x 65 hours guarantee = $13585
Hawaiian: $180 x 75 hours guarantee = $13500
United: $190 x 70 hours guarantee = $13300
Alaska: $175 x 75 hours guarantee = $13125
American: $205 x 64 hours guarantee = $13120
Usair: $160 x 72 hours guarantee = $11520

I know there are other factors to consider, like retirement and other benefits, but I don't think it would take much for the pilots to accept Southwest rates ($210 x 78 hours guarantee = $16380) i.e. 15% raise. I think 20% would do it.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'd rather be at Continental than fly their routes on an RJ.

 

[clr4theapch]

Folks.. be very careful what you post here... personal info, company messages, proprietary info.. all is a violation of the FI TOS... keep the posts inside the ball park...

 

[clr4theapch]

One last thing.. The next member that swears, trying to be creative swearing will get 10 days off or more.. no PM's just gone..

The is getting heated.. so stop the scab talk and such.. that will get you 30 days... not kidding....

Mod clr4

 

[bobbyice]

Oh no! For God's sake, what will we all do if we get banned for 10 days from FI.com?

 

[vtech]

Here is what is lame, a non-union airline coming in violating our contract and undermining our leverage.

What is "lame" is saying "a non-union airline is coming in violating our contract and undermining our leverage."

There are only two parties to the contract. Those parties are CAL management and, possibly, its successors and the CAL Pilot Group. Neither Skywest pilots nor Skywest management are parties to the contract in question. Neither Skywest pilots nor Skywest management can "violate" a contact to which they are not a party.

Nothing a Skywest pilot or a member of Skywest management can do can undermine or enhance your leverage. Your contract is your leverage and it stands on its own. The terms of your contract provide whatever leverage there is.

You'll have to speak with an arbitrator or a judge to get your contract enforced the way you want. In the meantime, I'll be happy to give you a ride to work. I'd appreciate the same consideration from you and your fellow pilots. Thanks.

 

[AWACoff]

Vtech,

Well said. I imagine all of this won't amount to a hill of beans. Some Skywest guys and some CAL/UAL guys will deny jumpseats and then it will all die down.

CALALPA will prevail in the arbitration though so at that point this flying will be in violation of the CAL contract. Knowingly performing flying in violation of another group's contract is not the most ethical thing to do. At that point is when I see a wholesale denial of jumpseat privileges to any group performing that flying.

You made a very well thought out and reasonable post though and it is refreshing to see on this site. Kudos to taking the high road. Hopefully everybody does.

 

[Flyerdan]

Vtech,

Well said. I imagine all of this won't amount to a hill of beans. Some Skywest guys and some CAL/UAL guys will deny jumpseats and then it will all die down.

CALALPA will prevail in the arbitration though so at that point this flying will be in violation of the CAL contract. Knowingly performing flying in violation of another group's contract is not the most ethical thing to do. At that point is when I see a wholesale denial of jumpseat privileges to any group performing that flying.

You made a very well thought out and reasonable post though and it is refreshing to see on this site. Kudos to taking the high road. Hopefully everybody does.

You state this like it is a sure thing but clearly it could go the other way as well. I will be happy with either decision. I do wonder though if the decision will be respected. If it goes against CALALPA will the CAL pilots simply move on to the next issue? If it goes against United will there be fines (or other mechanisms) if they violate the ruling? Either way it won't make a significant impact on me as a Skywest pilot. We simply fly the aircraft our mainline customer wants us to fly to the city they pay us to fly it to.

 

[Nevets]

You state this like it is a sure thing but clearly it could go the other way as well. I will be happy with either decision. I do wonder though if the decision will be respected. If it goes against CALALPA will the CAL pilots simply move on to the next issue? If it goes against United will there be fines (or other mechanisms) if they violate the ruling? Either way it won't make a significant impact on me as a Skywest pilot. We simply fly the aircraft our mainline customer wants us to fly to the city they pay us to fly it to.

I won't be happy either way. I would only be happy if CALALPA wins the arbitration. If they do and CAL management doesn't comply, I think that CALALPA can get an injunction from a federal judge to force CAL management to comply. I suspect that if CALALPA loses, they will move the battle to contract negotiations.

 

[cybourg10]

You guys realize that the arbitration is only over using CAL flight numbers on the flights right? If CALALPA wins all they do is remove the CAL flight numbers and the flights operate anyway with only UAL numbers. Some of you act like they will change the schedules.

 

[Nevets]

You guys realize that the arbitration is only over using CAL flight numbers on the flights right? If CALALPA wins all they do is remove the CAL flight numbers and the flights operate anyway with only UAL numbers. Some of you act like they will change the schedules.

Then why doesn't CAL management just do that now and save themselves the hassle and cost of arbitration? Honest question.

 

[cybourg10]

Then why doesn't CAL management just do that now and save themselves the hassle and cost of arbitration? Honest question.

Psychological warfare maybe? I dunno. But those flights will go no matter what the ruling. They probably like being able to sell the seats on continental.com and they figure its worth the fight. Why are you asking me why management does what they do?

 

[Nevets]

Psychological warfare maybe? I dunno. But those flights will go no matter what the ruling. They probably like being able to sell the seats on continental.com and they figure its worth the fight. Why are you asking me why management does what they do?

Lol, trying to find the mole. Haha. No I thought you knew some legal argument from their scope language or something. It just doesn't make sense to me. If it was that simple, they would have just used UAL flight number to begin with, or so it seems to me. I have a feeling that it is a sticking issue and without the CAL flight number, their argument fall apart.